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Old 10-30-2011, 08:13 PM
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Recently got my first Martini. Marked on right side only International. Serial number U2114H which lead me to believe it was either a MKI or MKII. Pulled the trigger group and it is stamped 2114, so far so good. But now I noticed on the front side of the trigger guard two tapped holes with set screws. Now the forearm is retained to the barrel with the single screw, yet it has the aluminum dove tailed rail. Next is the fact that the stock has been cut about 1" from the rear and the piece reattached? It's from the original stock. Maybe to remove to fit a hook? Now the sights are PH but doubt they were MKI or MKII, I'll leave that for another post. So Folks what do I have?
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:46 PM
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The 2 "holes" in the trigger guard give access to trigger adjustment screws using hex wrenches. The stock is probably original as adjustable stocks as we know them today did not exist, instead the rifle came from with factory with wood spacers to remove/add to get the correct length of pull for the shooter. A picture would help.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:05 PM
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Mk-ii

Actually the MK-I and MK-II did not come with removable spacers as suggested, the ISU and MK-V did so don't be misled on that issue.

The fact that it does not say MK-II can indicate its what would be a MK-I. I am without my records at present but am sure someone will give you a good answer based on the serial number.

How wide is the receiver??

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Old 10-30-2011, 09:49 PM
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What you could have is a `modified` Mk1. If the wood work is fitted directly to the barrel with one screw then it is a Mk1 or 2 ,the aluminium dovetail is a later modification. The Mk1 as sold from the factory, had an internally adjusted trigger group but the externally adjusted TG as fitted to yours was offered as a retro fit after the Mk2 was introduced with this feature. The Mk 2s I have seen have been stamped with that identification on the side of the receiver so that would definitely point towards yours starting life as a Mk1 with modifications by a previous owner. The thing that confuses me is that a retro fitted trigger group would not have the same serial number as the rest of the rifle so is it in fact a Mk2 that was not stamped as such.? Hope this helps.!!!!!!!!!! Tony

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Old 10-31-2011, 12:20 AM
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Photos of the action would help. Every serial number I recall had 2 letter prefixes....
Can you read the date code on the barrel.?see stickies.....they have alot of info and photos for you to compare.
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Took some pictures today to help with the ID. I did look at the sticky's and did some other research, which confused me as the action group shouldn't have the set screws. Also I have the thick receiver 1-1/8"+. If you get a chance look at my photos here
http://crayonmedia.com/wayne/BSA_Martini/

Any input would help, BTW which PH sights do I have?
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I don't agree that you have the "thick" receiver. I believe the thick receivers were approx. 1-1/4" at least on some MK-I's. I don't know if this was all MK-I's or not. MK-II's were 1-1/8.
The serial should relate to a date if someone with the "book" could check it out.

If you adjust the trigger don't forget the locking screws on the side of the guard.

Very nice looking rifle.

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I don't agree that you have the "thick" receiver. I believe the thick receivers were 1-1/4" at least on some MK-I's, the MK-II's were 1-1/8.
The serial should relate to a date if someone with the "book" could check it out.

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Per "the book" there were 2611 Right Handed Martini International MK l's made from !950-!953. They would have the "U" prefex. That would seem to include your SN.

There were 3390 Martini International MK ll's made from 1960-1968. The serial number prefex for them is "UF".


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Thank you Tom.

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Old 10-31-2011, 09:43 PM
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Sorry Gents, when I stated 1-1/8" I added the + because I didn't have the time to dig out my Mic. I will add an accurate thickness tomorrow. I am glad to hear it might be an early one. The action group is what really has me puzzled.

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Waiting for paint to dry, so I grabbed my Mic and measured the receiver thickness. A bit surprised as it measured 1.203 inches. ????? Do I have an after lunch machined model
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It sure looks like an early one, the 'regular' Internationals don't have that receiver profile.
Can you find a serial number on the RECEIVER? You may have to take the hand guard off.
Strange one there.
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Per "the book" there were 2611 Right Handed Martini International MK l's made from !950-!953. They would have the "U" prefex. That would seem to include your SN.

There were 3390 Martini International MK ll's made from 1960-1968. The serial number prefex for them is "UF".


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Keeley, Were the MKIIs made that late? Last month I requested a production numbers count. Can you post that info, eg..How many of each model were made? It would be appreciated.
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Mk-i

I should have used the word "approximately", 1-1/4". The MK-II's were 1-1/8, the ISU and MK-V were 1"

M14,
That is the correct International profile.

Tom,
I think the MK-III was 1960 to 68.

bjm

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I should have used the word "approximately", 1-1/4". The MK-II's were 1-1/8, the ISU and MK-V were 1"

M14,
That is the correct International profile.

Tom,
I think the MK-III was 1960 to 68.

bjm
Brian, You're right. I've just found some conflicts between the text of "the book" and the Index. Gotta run now but will get back to you guys on this later.

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