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I will mostly be punching paper, but may reach out and touch the occasional varmit should the need present itself.
I would go with a .223. With my 1 in 9" 700 LTR the accuracy is great with 52, 55 and 69 grain match bullets. A 1 in 8" should be good for 77 or 80 grain bullets. Also have a 1 in 12" SPS Varmint that is very accurate with 52 match Sierras.

Also , I've been able to put together accurate loads without a great deal of load development and trial and error. The .223 in my experience with 4 rifles and 2 TC Super 14s is very easy to load for accuracy.
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Well, for accuracy, the 204 will probably win out. Cost and barrel life go to the 223.

Me, I'm cheap. I like the 223, and I have a Tikka T3 Varmint that shoots better than I can, anyway.

Maybe someday I'll shoot well enough that the 204 would be something I would want.
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Old 07-22-2009, 07:24 PM
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Too many positives for the .223.
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I've got one of each. Both are Savage Model 14's. The .204 shoots tighter groups and is my go to varmint rifle. The .223 is a great all around practice rifle. For mainly paper with an occasional varmint .223 sounds like the logical choice. You can always get a .204 later. LOL.
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Hi All,

I think for now the .223 is what I will try. I am unfortunately blessed with shallow pockets and dastardly home appliances that can smell $700.00 a hundred miles away.

For those of you have resources to support a wide selection of fire sticks I salute you. Without you how would any of us mere mortals get information about whats out there.

Any way I'm now thinking of a Howa M1500 in a .223 heavy barrel. There is a Howa dealer locally and it is a mom & pop operation. Good people to talk to as well.

So the question is 20" or 24" barrel? the difference in weight is less than a 1/2pound. The twist is 1 in 12"

From my reading and simple understanding, most standard ballistics data is developed around 24" barrels.

Other than the slightly easier manuverability in a confined area (Such as a pickup cab) is there any benefit to a shorter barrel?

Just some more simple questions...

Carlos G.
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If you intend to be bouncing in and out of the truck with it I suggest short..that heavy 24" is a beast getting in and out..trust me I know long and heavy and after the 3rd or 4th time in a few hours it gets tiresome.



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The twist is 1 in 12"
Czech it out: http://www.riflebarrels.com/products...wist_rates.htm

Scroll down to the bottom table.
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Hi All,

The reason for asking about barrel length was to determine if and how much of a factor it is in bullet velocity.

In a Howa catalog, they give for example a .375 ruger with a 20" barrel and a 24" barrel. The 24" barrel adds almost a170fps to the same bullet, same load.

I am a noob regarding all this stuff and I figure its best to ask now instead of saying " I would'a , could'a, should'a" later on.

Thank you all for your continuing help.

Carlos G.

P.S. I realise there are many trade offs. Its just since I dont know much I would like to find out as much as I can. :-)

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In a .223 you wont see much change between the 20 and 24in. Im shooting a 20in and Ive taken out several coyotes at 400+yrds, and Ive printed several 3in groups at 600yrds, all using handloads of course. Looking at the 1:12 twist just remember your limited on bullet weight when choosing ammo.
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I've done several test with the 223 with different length barrels 16.20,24,26, and 28. Depending on the powder I was using I've seen as little as 16 fps per inch and as much as 32 fps.

I would rather have the longer barrel myself if it was mainly going to be a paper puncher.
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I would go with the 223 as well, I have a 204 and like it alot but for a first time varminter I would stick with the 223, I own several 223s and none of them have let me down, I have yet to see one that wont shoot, they are a breeze to load for, if your going to use factory ammo then there are more options for you out there than you can shake a stick at, again nothing at all against the 204..its just that Im a huge fan of the 223.
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From a real world view. Recoil should not even be considered, because neither round produces enough recoil to even be a concern, specially in the heavy varmint style rifles.
I disagree with that, a .223 will generally just recoil enough to loose your sight picture, not so with the .204.

The .204 isn't going anywhere either


As far as prices go, you can still find somewhat reasonable .223 ammo, but nothing like it used to be. As far as reloading goes, they'll be about the same cost per round.

I've got a Featherweight .223 that shoots the cheap wolf stuff great, but the .223 has been shoved to the back and my .204 is up near the front of the safe these days.
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Check out First Stop Guns and click the link to their lisitngs in Gunsamerica. You can pick up either a cooper phoenix in 204 or 223, both common calibers for a real good price and bang your done. No reason to look back. For punching paper or varmints they cant be beat.

I jsut checked their guns on Gunsameraica. They have a slightly used 223 Phoenix for $1250.00. Good price. Maybe if you call they will knock $50.00 off or ship for free????

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Hi All,

I think for now the .223 is what I will try. I am unfortunately blessed with shallow pockets and dastardly home appliances that can smell $700.00 a hundred miles away.

For those of you have resources to support a wide selection of fire sticks I salute you. Without you how would any of us mere mortals get information about whats out there.

Any way I'm now thinking of a Howa M1500 in a .223 heavy barrel. There is a Howa dealer locally and it is a mom & pop operation. Good people to talk to as well.

So the question is 20" or 24" barrel? the difference in weight is less than a 1/2pound. The twist is 1 in 12"

From my reading and simple understanding, most standard ballistics data is developed around 24" barrels.

Other than the slightly easier manuverability in a confined area (Such as a pickup cab) is there any benefit to a shorter barrel?

Just some more simple questions...

Carlos G.
Howa must make good product Weatherby has the Vanguard line built by them and my .270 http://www.weatherby.com/product/rif...nguard/sporter is a good shooter and comes with a 1.5 MOA guarantee but the test target was much tighter. Shot at an actual 100 yards.
Cooper's are nice and I bought one before the political thing. They're a bunch of money and not in the Howa price range. Best wishes, and good shooting.
P.S. My Savage in .223 http://www.savagearms.com/14Classic.htm is a 22 inch barrel, kind of a split the difference length. LOL.
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I went with a heavy barrel 204 upper for my AR. I can change to 204 in about 20 seconds. Easier to keep on target. Go to utube and put in 204. If I were going with a 223 I would get a 18" barrel and shoot 77g bullets. I also have a 6.8 remington upper for deer.
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