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Old 11-01-2018, 10:41 PM
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I am soooo green with air pistols!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Some months back I bought a Beeman .177 P3 handgun and simply have not fallen in love with it.

Part of that is due to it's almost total lack of power.

I read about the CO2 powder handguns, but I want to shoot when I want to shoot and not having a CO2 cylinder leaking away to nothing when the piece is not being used.

I can live with the single cock, but would like comments and suggestions as the P3 is so little used as to be almost new.

Anything out there that can keep my hand and eye in tone during the off season with enough power to keep the pellets from bouncing back at me from the plywood target backing?

Accuracy seems fine with the P3.

I like to shoot 50' slow/times/rapid competition with a .22 rim fire, but the P3 doesn't seem to be filling the bill for off season practice.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:55 AM
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I don't know what CO2 guns you have experienced but I have never had a Crosman 2240 or 357 leak over the course of several months. In fact I have one 2240 that I haven't shot in almost a year; just picked it up, cocked it, pulled the trigger and there was still gas in it. One key is to always put a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil or automatic transmission fluid on the tip of the CO2 cartridge; keeps seals soft so leakage does not occur.

You may also want to consider a Crosman 1377 or 1322, multi pump pistols so you can control power by the number of pumps.

I would also suggest that you not mount your targets directly on the backing. Use a cardboard box filled with rags/newspapers/magazines, with the plywood backing as a final stop even though you will seldom have pellets penetrate that far. Or you could use any sort of container filled with rubber mulch or build a duct seal pellet trap (all of these options have been addressed many time in airgun forums, or you can simply Google them).
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:35 AM
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Farrlarr,

As I attempted to indicate in my opening post, I have little, like almost NONE, experience with air or CO2 powdered handguns.

I do know that I did shoot a pump type one time and found the piece to bare little resemblance to a well balanced handgun such as those I'm used to.

But your comments on the CO2 gas loss is encouraging as I'd like to be able to walk into the shop, pick up the handgun and fire off a few shots knowing that I can come back the next day or two weeks or months later and still have CO2 available without needing to ALWAYS replace the gas cartridge.

So, THANKS, your already helping in my education.

I'm neither rich or in air gun competition so would not be buying the high end pieces, but I also don't like junk so would be looking at pieces in the mid price range.

Looks like I need to continue to do more research and likely look for a new home for this almost new Beeman

Thanks,

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For CO2 pistols, a Crosman 2240 goes for $62.99 at Pyramyd Air (the best source for airguns and supplies that I know) and a Vigilante (the current model of the 357) goes for $49.99. I don't know if that fits your definition of mid-price range or not. However, when you visit their air pistol page, you will find a wide variety of pistols with all sorts of power systems and all prices. They will all have good pictures so you see whether they come anywhere close to to the style and conformation you desire, and the vast majority of them have reviews from a large number of users so you can estimate quality and accuracy.

https://www.pyramydair.com/air-pistols

There are also a large number of BB pistols on the market, also available from Pyramyd Air, but I suggest that you not consider them at this point because (1) they are not as accurate as pellet pistols, and (2) there are real problems with the BBs ricocheting from anything that is fairly solid (you will not have that problem with pellets). Many of the BB pistols are modeled directly on powder burner pistols and have good weight and balance so you may want to think about them later but I just wouldn't recommend them now. There certainly are CO2 pistols that resemble powder burners.

Pyramyd Air is also an excellent source for pellets. They carry a very wide variety of pellets and sell them on a 4-for-3 deal; that is, when you order 4 tins of pellets, the cheapest tin is free. They also pack pellets very well for shipping so you know they are going to arrive in great condition.

Please note that I have absolutely no connection with Pyramyd Air, just a very satisfied customer.

If you have additional questions, do not hesitate to post them or PM me directly.
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Thanks Larry,

I was on the Pyramyd Air web site this afternoon, and must admit to being a bit confused.

I mentioned the concern about need to use a CO2 cylinder or losing/wasting it and the guy that replied said something about he didn't recommend leaving a cylinder in place for more then a VERY short time after shooting.

Being great in the lack of knowledge in this department, I expected something to confirm your earlier statement and got the exact opposite.

Hmmmmmmmm?

I see you live in Idaho, and only wish we lived close enough to allow for me to get hands on knowledge from a real life user of CO2 pistols.

I did see a couple of pistols that rang my barrel, one a Sig Sauer and the other a Walther.

The Walther I was looking at looked like a copy of my Walther P99 - .40 S&W Which would be a PLUS.

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Larry,

It was Matthew Z. that replied to me from Pyramyd Air.

I just went back and looked at his comments.

He said, they recommend not leaving the CO2 cylinder in the gun longer then 10min after shooting is completed to reduce damage.

Hmmmmmmm! seems no one would want or use CO2 air guns if that were in fact true.

Frankly am I going to put in a cylinder, shoot a few shots - something less then the total capacity of the CO2 and take the cylinder out to bleed off. Not likely!

But then I can't always see my self shooting the 80 - 90 shots per cylinder that they suggest the capacity to be.

This just not see to pencil out and hard to believe that there would be much of a market for the CO2 handguns if that were true.

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Some months back I bought a Beeman .177 P3 handgun and simply have not fallen in love with it.

Part of that is due to it's almost total lack of power.

I read about the CO2 powder handguns, but I want to shoot when I want to shoot and not having a CO2 cylinder leaking away to nothing when the piece is not being used.

I can live with the single cock, but would like comments and suggestions as the P3 is so little used as to be almost new.

Anything out there that can keep my hand and eye in tone during the off season with enough power to keep the pellets from bouncing back at me from the plywood target backing?

Accuracy seems fine with the P3.

I like to shoot 50' slow/times/rapid competition with a .22 rim fire, but the P3 doesn't seem to be filling the bill for off season practice.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

Just saw the post... realize its an old thread.

This is just my technique... your mileage may vary.

I too shoot in a 22LR/50 ft league and use an Airsoft 1911/hi cap with a red dot between matches at home. It runs off green gas rather than CO2... however I use a butane charging nozzle with the 1 lb camping canisters. A single can charges over 1,000 rounds accumulately.

Why propane? Most green gas canisters are filled with the same propellant with aromatics and a rubber friendly lubricant (for the internal seals in the gun). I add Ballistol to keep it maintained.

The trigger could be a little lighter... however its a training and learning curve for me.
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