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Old 07-26-2017, 03:37 PM
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I have been reading the threads here lately and they have sparked my desire... I am concidering a 527 in one of these calibers. I have a .223 already. I only shoot paper and perhaps steel... The range only goes to 300 yds. Is there a clear accuracy winner between these two? Which would you choose and why?
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:06 PM
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Since you already have a 223 I would recommend against the 204. Pretty much a wash between those two in terms of their ballistics and capabilities. That said, I have both and don't mind the overlap. But if you're looking for something different to the 223 the 204 isn't very different.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:29 PM
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I have been reading the threads here lately and they have sparked my desire... I am concidering a 527 in one of these calibers. I have a .223 already. I only shoot paper and perhaps steel... The range only goes to 300 yds. Is there a clear accuracy winner between these two? Which would you choose and why?
The 204 clearly outperforms the 223, it has a slightly larger case capacity and bullet weight to bullet weight the .20 cals definitely have the BC advantage. Now, does that mean the 204 is a much better choice than the 223, not at all. I love my little CZ 527 Varmint 204 but I've got five different 223's and still only one 204.

As for the 17 Hornet VS 204 Ruger, IMO, you're comparing apples and oranges. In theory, no cartridge should really be anymore "accurate" than another but some will definitely have a wider sweet spot and if you reload, that's always a good thing.

The 17 Hornet will definitely have a longer barrel life than the 204 but that's not to say a 204 has a short barrel life so unless you are an extremely high volume shooter, as in thousands of rounds per year, both will last a long time.

The 204 has a significant advantage in the fact it shoots a heavier bullet faster than does the 17 Hornet so the natural elements will have less time to affect the bullet while it's in flight. The shorter the time of flight, the heavier the bullet, and higher the bullets ballistic coefficient, the easier it is to shoot a particular cartridge, more accurately.
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Old 07-26-2017, 05:24 PM
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lol,
ok bring your 204 to the 600 yard line and prove your "opinion". you artificially limit the 223 to 204 limits....not a valid comparison at all.
223 was not DESIGNED for light bullets, tho with the right twist they do work.

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The 204 clearly outperforms the 223, it has a slightly larger case capacity and bullet weight to bullet weight the .20 cals definitely have the BC advantage. Now, does that mean the 204 is a much better choice than the 223, not at all. I love my little CZ 527 Varmint 204 but I've got five different 223's and still only one 204.

As for the 17 Hornet VS 204 Ruger, IMO, you're comparing apples and oranges. In theory, no cartridge should really be anymore "accurate" than another but some will definitely have a wider sweet spot and if you reload, that's always a good thing.

The 17 Hornet will definitely have a longer barrel life than the 204 but that's not to say a 204 has a short barrel life so unless you are an extremely high volume shooter, as in thousands of rounds per year, both will last a long time.

The 204 has a significant advantage in the fact it shoots a heavier bullet faster than does the 17 Hornet so the natural elements will have less time to affect the bullet while it's in flight. The shorter the time of flight, the heavier the bullet, and higher the bullets ballistic coefficient, the easier it is to shoot a particular cartridge, more accurately.
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Old 07-26-2017, 05:24 PM
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To shoot paper @300yds (or woodchucks) it isn't a question-204. They explained why. Here is the rest of the story. 204 lots of powder, big noise, more expensive to load. Not much different than a 223 with 26 " barrel. 17HH alot less noise, a finesse cartridge. Can shoot and watch impact on targets. 204 can do more than 17, but not as sweet. Shooting in wind I would give that to 204 also. I thoroughly enjoy shooting my hornet. Good luck.
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Old 07-26-2017, 05:30 PM
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i would do neither.
just my opinion.
a 20 practical would be a better choice over the 204.
i'll admit to NEVER being a fan of anything 17.
buy a used 223, get it rebbl'd in 20 practical.
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lol,
ok bring your 204 to the 600 yard line and prove your "opinion". you artificially limit the 223 to 204 limits....not a valid comparison at all.
223 was not DESIGNED for light bullets, tho with the right twist they do work.

sorry just ain't so.
In order to compare the two you have to limit the 223 to lighter bullets because they only make up to 55gr bullet for the 20 cals. Maybe I should have been more clear with my response so let me try again, up to 55gr bullets, since those are the heaviest high BC bullets I'm aware of for the .20cal, the 204 will absolutely outperform the 223.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:33 PM
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so in reality there is NO COMPARISON as they do
not shoot bullets in the same weight class,
across the board.

you would have been better off just pointing out what the 204 can do, not compare it to something way out of its class.
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lowburb...sir I am going to go a different route...since you already have a 223...I would suggest going for the 17 Hornet...its a much milder round and if your just bench shooting...if it was me I would rather have something that has low to no recoil...and something that would give me a challenge to my shooting skills...so what if there is a little wind...just makes it nicer when you do get a fantastic group.

On the other hand the 204 Ruger is a flat, fast shooting round...louder than the 223...cost more money to shoot if you don't reload.

I just got a 527 American in 17HH...I can't wait to sight it in this weekend.

Just one guys opinion...it's your rifle, your money and needs you need to fill...so good luck on your quest.

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They both have their niche....you really need to get both IMO. I would get the 204 first because it is more flexible though...more range would be covered immediately with it. But, the 17HH is awesome and fun in it's own right.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:09 PM
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What you are going to find is that the 204 is more finicky than the 17HH in getting a load to really shoot. With the Hornet and factory ammo you are practically guaranteed superb groups. Serious 17HH shooters find it very difficult to match factory loads and generally revert to factory rather than handload. This includes dedicated pdog shooters.
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so in reality there is NO COMPARISON as they do
not shoot bullets in the same weight class,
across the board.

you would have been better off just pointing out what the 204 can do, not compare it to something way out of its class.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make but up to 55 grain bullets, the 204 shoots flatter than a 223 and for what it's worth, I believe the 223 was originally designed around the 55gr FMJ so to say the "223 was not DESIGNED for light bullets" again, not sure what your point is.
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They both have their niche....you really need to get both IMO. I would get the 204 first because it is more flexible though...more range would be covered immediately with it. But, the 17HH is awesome and fun in it's own right.
Best answer so far and I completely agree but I am a bit partial to this response because I have both in CZ 527 Varmints.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:45 PM
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The external ballistics of the 17 hornet with 20's, is awful close to the 223 with 55's......enuff so, that 223 BDC scopes are a good fit for the Hornet to 400.......
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The external ballistics of the 17 hornet with 20's, is awful close to the 223 with 55's......enuff so, that 223 BDC scopes are a good fit for the Hornet to 400.......
Huntsman22 sir that is good to know I was wondering what rifle I was going to put my spare V-16 223 BX scope on...I have a GS 4-16x on my 527 in 17HH right now...will just have to see which one works best for me.

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