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Old 10-08-2009, 11:38 AM
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Or something like this 1377 .22 cal carbine ....

Crosman 2289 14" barrel, 2289 barrel band and 2289 bolt.
Crosman 760 forearm with handguard made from 1377 forearm and a home-made wooden stock
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:44 PM
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Crosman 1377 Carbine VS Marauder

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... It sounds like you want a nice 1337 carbine....
Yes and No ... MangesMade's advice and insight has given me cause
_ to pause and consider all alternatives available.

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The Marauder was the new hot thing and good reviews and cheap 'er so I bought a Marauder.
Although I've never held or even seen any of the other rifles,
I wish I had bit the bullet and gone with an Air Arms or FX Cyclone or even the Monsoon.
I haven't yet shot my Marauder, it may be a keeper, but the Marauder is very heavy,
and not so much weight wise (but also weight wise) but awkward to hold,
the stock is just to big, it is jusst " clumsy uncomfortable " or Sumphen like that....
After much consideration, a Marauder would be, literally and figuratively,
_ over-kill for my backyard purposes.
Shooting out a utility window in an urban environment would be best served
_ by a more compact and lighter airgun than the Marauder.
However, finding an airgun as quiet as the Marauder seems a daunting task.

My initial attraction to the Marauder was cost and quietness.
However, I think a Crosman 1377 based carbine with a factory shoulder stock
and aftermarket shrouded barrel
would, probably, do me nicely.
The fact that I would also be able to control noise out-put by reducing power
_ at will is important for my neighborly relations.
And, higher-power on demand (more pump strokes) is a significant advantage.
Frequently, Fort Stockton pigeons visit my bird feeders.

However, cost is a factor.
For all its disadvantages the Marauder represents a tremendous value.
But, the attendant decision to commit going full PCP (compressed air tank, fill adapter
_ with gauge, high-pressure hand pump) is a nagging thought and costly proposition.

I've been keeping track of the number of shots I've been firing.
On a workday afternoon probably 10-12 pellets.
On my days-off, maybe 20-25 shots out the utility window.
This is not very much shooting ... perhaps, not enough justification for a PCP.
With this in-mind, a multi-stoke variable-power pneumatic would probably be
_ a cost-effective, general purpose solution.
Unfortunately for me, a multi-stoke variable-power pneumatic
_ with a shrouded barrel is not on the commercial market.
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:28 PM
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Long barreled 1377 on 5-6 pumps is not loud, unless you are hiding from the law.
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Low-Profile ... Low-Noise Signature

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Long barreled 1377 on 5-6 pumps is not loud, unless you are hiding from the law.
More like not attracting the attention of neighbors.
I fear that someday, someone will commit some mischieve in my neighborhood with an airgun.
By default, common knowledge that I shoot at sparrows in my backyard
_ would cause someone to become suspicious of me.
Keeping a low-profile and a low-noise signature are the most prudent preventative measures I can take.

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The other day I was talking to my across the alley neighbor
_ about a unknown dog in the common alley.
In our discussion, he mentioned he had recently heard someone firing a BB or pellet gun.
I let him know that it was I shooting at sparrows raiding my house finch feeders.
This information began to bother me.
Now that you bring-up the LAW, another thing I dislike about my Daisy (Chi-Com) 880
_ is that it looks too much like a real .22 rifle - doesn't look like an ordinary pellet rifle.
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:16 PM
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1377 ! ! ! ! !

I've been out of town working, and very busy, add to that we almost lost my wife's father a few days ago. I haven't been thinking much about air rifles.
Read the forum today.....I must say the last few post, DoogieB about the 1377 and HandyAndy's rifle ( Nice) was a very good read. Although I love my Discovery, I wish I had had this knowledge when I first bought. After those two post I had to go see what Tim Mcmurry had to offer. TEMPTING ! AND affordable.
Please understand about my post about the Marauder. I'm not knocking the rifle, well, maybe alittle bit, but I haven't shot it to really be happy with it....( I may even get to shoot it today.....my wife and I need some down time). But in my opinion, after your discription of what you needed, it was just over kill, both in rifle and money. IMHO, compared with the Marauder, the Discovery would have been a better choice, and with all the equipt to make it run, the extra TKO trigger work and moderator would still be less than the Marauder's price. The Discovery is very, very quiet with a TKO moderator. BUT, those 1377's are awesome ! Probably perfect for your needs.
BTW....how hard would it be to down size a Discovery into something like HandyAndy's Carbine
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Crosman Marauder

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... Please understand about my post about the Marauder.
I'm not knocking the rifle, well, maybe alittle bit, but I haven't shot it to really be happy with it....
( I may even get to shoot it today.....my wife and I need some down time)....
No Sir ... I don't believe you are being critical of the Marauder.
I think you're being very realistic in your assessment.
And, everything you have said about the Marauder is what
_ a prospective buyer should know or be aware of.

However, I would be very interested in your evaluation
_ of the Marauder after you have shot the rifle.

Sorry about the distress in your family - aom22.
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AOM22 said, "Now that you bring-up the LAW, another thing I dislike about my Daisy (Chi-Com) 880
_ is that it looks too much like a real .22 rifle - doesn't look like an ordinary pellet rifle."

What exactly does an "ordinary pellet rifle" look like?
Had a Deputy stop at my house one day because he thought my son and I were shooting "22's." I had a TF41 side lever springer and my son had a long barreled Crosman pistol. I suspect the long (about 16") barreled pistol is what really got his attention! Once he saw they were pellet guns he was fine and told us to carry on.
You start flashing around a 1377 pistol carbine (He's got an assault weapon!!) and that may get more looks than the 880! Non-gun people can't tell the difference. I painted mine something other than black to avoid the "evil black rifle" syndrome. And make sure the neighbors see you pump it too!!
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1377 Assault Rifle!!!

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... What exactly does an "ordinary pellet rifle" look like ...?
In my mind, like a Sheriden .20, Benjamin or a Crosman 760.

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... You start flashing around a 1377 pistol carbine (He's got an assault weapon!!) ...
I painted mine something other than black to avoid the "evil black rifle" syndrome....
1377 ... Assault Rifle? Hmmm ... good point.
Maybe Digital camoflage ... something I need to consider.
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:08 PM
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My Wife's father didn't pass way, we almost lost him. Actually tonight he's doing much better. Not better, better.....but a lot better than a few days ago. OK, as promised, I did shoot some this evening. I'll be e-mailing you pictures of the targets later.
My wife took a nap while I shot. I had forgotten but livestock judging was tonight at the fair. We have to be there.
But, in short, boringly accurate at 25 yards.....with 16 gr. it will put pellet on top of pellet consistently. At 50 yards still wasn't that bad, 3 shot group was covered with a dime....5 shot would took a nickle. A ten shot group, took a Quarter. With a better scope, more time, and if it hadn't been so hot it could have been better. I couldn't wear my glasses as my forehead kept them fogged up. Two shirts and two head bands later.....it was that hot. Also, taking up for the Marauder, the Hawk sidewinder scope just ain't a target scope. I have it zeroed at 50 yards with the 2nd cross mark.
I know for everyone else this sounds like a bunch of jibber jabber and without the pictures if definitely is. I'm sorry. For now that's the best I can do. BTW.....with 1800 psi and 18 gr heavy pellets they were all over at 25 yards, a little larger than a quarter. More later. The cows are a moo-ing !
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This has been great thread with lots of useful information. I have several air rifles, BAM 26 and B-40 underlever, Daisy Avanti 853, and an FWB 300S which is a recoil free springer that will literally stack pellets. It shoots a chronied 600 fps but it's a bit on the heavy side but great for prone practice. The Bam 26 is my favorite for distance shots with easy recoil, the Bam 40 is an underlever with obvious recoil and I'm going to have it de tuned to slow it down enough to make it more accurate and it's also a bit too heavy. Judging by the frequency of how often I shoot a particular gun the 853 is my favorite plinker but no enough power to dispatch anything. It is a very accurate, single pump pneumatic with no recoil and a terrible trigger out of the box.
My experience with the BAM's is that they are very well made and at $299 for the XS-B50 I'd be willing to try that for my first pcp, which I don't have any plans for anytime soon. I am suffering from SK Std Plus syndrome.
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"... What exactly does an "ordinary pellet rifle" look like ...?
In my mind, like a Sheriden .20, Benjamin or a Crosman 760. "


I bought an old Crosman 102 air rifle at a gun show. Later while walking around the show with the rifle some guy wanted to know where I got that nice Savage 24!
Actually an old 101 or 102 would be great for what you want. Very powerful and quiet.
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Pictures.....AOM

I have the pictures you asked for a few days ago.....I e-mailed you through your profile but was unable to attach the pictures. As soon as you e-mail me I can send the pictures of todays shoot, rifle and targets etc. to your e-mail.
I can e-mail the pictures but I can't post them.....anyone else wants them, just e-mail me. [email protected]
I hope this helps.
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Never Mind.....

I started a new thread and posted the pictures here on the Air Rifle forum..... It took me a while to figure it out, but I have crossed that bridge. Once you learn it, it ain't nothing to it, except the running back and forth part, or Sumphen like that.
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Here's a video of the Benjamin Marauder.
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Decibel Readings

DECIBEL READINGS
Air Arms TDR (Take Down Rifle) , .22 Caliber, with factory moderartor - 76.0 db
Source: Air Arms TDR Take Down Rifle Specifications
Subjective Loudness: Air Arms TDR S410
Quote:
Pro 76 silencer does a very efficient job of keeping the muzzle report nice and quiet!
Air Arms TX200, .177 Caliber - 86.0 db
Source: Air Arms TX200 AGR Episode #20
Subjective Loudness: 3-Medium

Air Arms S410, .22 Caliber, Hi-Power Mode - 104.5 db
Source: Air Arms S410 - AGR Episode #15
Subjective Loudness: 2-Low-Medium


BSA GUNS Ultra, Caliber not specified without moderator - 88 db
with factory mini-SAS moderator - 84.0 db
Sound Meter Located:
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The decibel meter was placed six inches in front of the muzzle and four inches below.
Subjective Loudness: Source: BSA Owners Group ... BSA "SAS" Moderator & BSA ULTRA
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... the supplied "SAS" still does a resonable job as shooting the Ultra without a moderator
is a pain on the ears (the barrels shortness is obviously to blame) and that four decibel loss is useful....
Subjective Loudness: Source: BSA Air Rifle Pellet Gun Ultra Carbine Review
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The Ultra Carbine with the factory BSA SAS, full size moderator on it
is a very quiet, suburban neighborhood friendly rifle.

Benjamin Marauder, .22 Caliber - 85.7 db
Source: Benjamin Marauder Part 2 - AGR
Subjective Loudness: 2-Low-Medium

Benjamin Discovery, .22 Caliber - 102.4 db
Source: Benjamin Discovery Part 2 - AGR
Subjective Loudness: 4-Medium-High


Daisy Red Ryder, .177 Caliber - 97.1 dB
Source: Silencer Research Reference Library
Subjective Loudness: 1-Low


Gamo Whisper .177 Caliber - Metal Spring 78.6 db, Air Spring 77.6 db
Source: Gamo Whisper air rifle - AGR Episode #3
Subjective Loudness: 3-Medium ... Metal Spring, 3-Medium ... Gas Spring


FX Cyclone, .22 Caliber - 95.3 db, Sound Meter Located: left of the muzzle and slightly in-front
- 93.1 db, Sound Meter Located: at shooters ear.
Source: Episode #4 FX Cyclone .22

FX Cyclone, .22 Caliber - Low 73.5 db, Medium 84.8 db, High 88.3 db
Source: Airgun sound level measurement
Sound Meter Located:
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The other biggie is the distance from rifle to meter.
I went with 3 feet to the right side.
Needless to say shooting closer means a higher reading.
Subjective Loudness: Source: Plinker Dot Org ... FX Cyclone
Quote:
It has gone to a new home - great rifle, just too loud for the backyard.


Decibel Ranking of Airguns
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We took decibel readings of a number of common events to provide a basis of comparison.
The following can easily be duplicated at home.

All comparison tests were done at a distance of 6 ft.
An Arrow T50 heavy duty stapler into a piece of wood ... 97 decibels
A Swingline light duty stapler into a piece of wood ... 93 decibels
A battery powered 1/2" drill 71 decibels
Closing the door on my Ford Explorer (not slammed) ... 85 decibels
Empty soda can hitting a cement floor from shoulder height ... 86 decibels
Opening a full soda can ... 85 decibels
The sound of a doorbell ... 71 decibels

Beeman R7 (.177) ... 88 Decibels
References:

Airgun sound level measurement - by B.B. Pelletier

What is a decibel, and how is it measured?
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On the decibel scale, the smallest audible sound (near total silence) is 0 dB.
A sound 10 times more powerful is 10 dB.
A sound 100 times more powerful than near total silence is 20 dB.
A sound 1,000 times more powerful than near total silence is 30 dB.

Here are some common sounds and their decibel ratings:
Near total silence - 0 dB
A whisper - 15 dB
Normal conversation - 60 dB
A lawnmower - 90 dB
A car horn - 110 dB
A rock concert or a jet engine - 120 dB
A gunshot or firecracker - 140 dB
Measuring the Intensity of Sound Decibels Explained
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Rather, in a perfect world, each three decibel increment
affects a 50% change in sound pressure levels.

Thus, a 3 dB drop reduces sound exposure by 50%,
while a 6 dB drop reduces exposure by 75%.
Table B.1 Sound levels (dB) and relative loudness of typical noise sources in indoor and outdoor environments
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