My new to me Model 1121 - RimfireCentral.com Forums

Go Back   RimfireCentral.com Forums > >

Notices

Join Team RFC to remove these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-07-2019, 05:34 PM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
My new to me Model 1121



Log in to see fewer ads
Picked up an 1121 today at my fave LGS. After trading in a few inexpensive guns, price OTD was $199. Pretty much in safe-queen condition; probably not a lot of rounds downrange. The Ruger website's SN lookup feature lists it as a 1996. Metal TG, 5.5# pull weight. Normal stock Ruger innards.

Took it apart and lubed it. It was already pretty clean, but ran some wet and dry patches. Pulled the TG and put in my Brimstone Tier 2 BX, 1.6#. Added a sling stud for a bipod. Torqued the TD screw to 12 in-lbs.

Off to the range tonight! Gonna take some SK Pistol Match Special, after seasoning the barrel with SK Magazine. Later I will probably raid my sporter 10/22 for its JWH bolt, and Kidd guide rod/handle/spring. Gonna find out if it needs to be Randyized!

In the pic below, I have already swapped the TGs. Also, it's now wearing my Vortex Crossfire II 6-18x40.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Ruger 1121.jpg (238.5 KB, 35 views)

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-07-2019 at 05:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-07-2019, 06:07 PM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Two more pics. Pic 2 shows the JWH bolt and Kidd bolt handle, and a stock polymer TG with the Brimstone Tier 2 treatment, pulling at 2.25#. This is a normal plain 1151 in a DCW Copper Mica stock. The color isn't that correct due to iffy lighting. The 1151 will get a cheap red dot on the stock Ruger combo rail, and the cool rail will go on the 1121. Mag release is Tactical Innovations.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1151 and 1121.jpg (329.3 KB, 28 views)
File Type: jpg 1151 detail.jpg (335.3 KB, 24 views)

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-07-2019 at 06:14 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-07-2019, 06:15 PM
johnrr65

Join Date: 
Nov 2019
Posts: 
32
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
Looks Great!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 11-07-2019, 09:31 PM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Weeelllllll.....I guess I'll keep it.

Seems to prefer the SK, bigly.

Circled number is overall average for five shots in six groups. Double underlined number is the average without the called flyer in group four. Single underlined number is the average without either called flyer in groups three and four.

It seems to be keeping up with my CZ 457 Trainer--astoundingly. Loose semiauto chamber, unmodded Ruger bolt and all.

Gonna stick in the nicer bolt from my other 10/22 to see if it matters. And the Kidd parts too, just because.

EDIT: forgot to mention this was at 25 yards, bipod, rear bag, 12X on the scope.
Also, having shot my CZ 457 with a 1# trigger, and a couple of days ago an Anschutz 1413 with a 2 ounce trigger--my 1.6# Brimstoned BX feels clunky now!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1121 SK Wolf 1st.jpg (217.9 KB, 17 views)

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-09-2019 at 10:26 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-08-2019, 07:45 AM
msp2640
Law Enforcement Officer NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Aug 2018
Location: 
Plymouth, MA
Posts: 
57
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
Thanks for posting this. I picked up a NIB model 2 weeks ago. I have a Banner scope, Leupold mount and rings waiting for installation. I posted previously here in this section, while I was awaiting it and I knew the Ruger number sounded familiar! Hopefully, I'll get some time this weekend and more importantly, I hope it shoots as well as yours. Thanks Bill in MA
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-08-2019, 08:02 AM
Clem-E's Avatar
Clem-E

Join Date: 
Mar 2007
Location: 
North TX
Posts: 
3,566
TPC Rating: 
100% (9)
I picked up an older SS 10/22T barrel a few months ago. put it together and it shoots as well. has a decent amount of constriction the last few inches toward the muzzle. it also likes sk.

25y





some of those old T barrels are not bad shooters. i was impressed how well it shot for a factory tube.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-08-2019, 09:04 AM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by msp2640 View Post
Thanks for posting this. I picked up a NIB model 2 weeks ago. I have a Banner scope, Leupold mount and rings waiting for installation. I posted previously here in this section, while I was awaiting it and I knew the Ruger number sounded familiar! Hopefully, I'll get some time this weekend and more importantly, I hope it shoots as well as yours. Thanks Bill in MA
You're welcome. I was stunned at how good it was. My two called flyers were due to very loud guns going off close by, just as I got to the trigger's break. Group three would have given me a perfect .00" CTC group. Thereby beating the CZ!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clem-E View Post
I picked up an older SS 10/22T barrel a few months ago. put it together and it shoots as well. has a decent amount of constriction the last few inches toward the muzzle. it also likes sk.

some of those old T barrels are not bad shooters. i was impressed how well it shot for a factory tube.
I used SK Magazine to sight it in. Two shots, then make adjustments. It seemed to be doing as well as the PMS! Both shots touching or one hole, every time.

Love that green laminate stock BTW!

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-08-2019 at 09:09 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-08-2019, 10:24 AM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom_in_MO View Post
Also, having shot my CZ 457 with a 1# trigger, and a couple of days ago an Anschutz 1413 with a 2 ounce trigger--my 1.6# Brimstoned BX feels clunky now!
Which is why I now have to go to a Tier 1. The Brimstone blade is already drilled for it, and I have the tap and set screw sitting in a parts bin. I am also thinking about sourcing a lighter-gauge torsion return spring to replace the Brimstone one. I also have to check what sear spring I have in there, but I may well leave that one alone. If it is stock, the sear spring would only be replaced (or cut) if the lighter return spring required it.

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-08-2019 at 10:30 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-08-2019, 12:03 PM
crackedcornish's Avatar
crackedcornish is online now
NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Dec 2006
Posts: 
4,232
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
25yds doesn't really tell you much..shoot some at 50yds at least

I have seen barrels that shoot great at 25, shoot patterns at 50
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-08-2019, 02:04 PM
Outrider
US Navy Veteran NRA Member - Click Here To Join! GOA Member

Join Date: 
Jul 2014
Location: 
South Central PA
Posts: 
414
TPC Rating: 
0% (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by crackedcornish View Post
25yds doesn't really tell you much..shoot some at 50yds at least

I have seen barrels that shoot great at 25, shoot patterns at 50
Definitely concur! In addition, note that while ammo performance at 50 yards is a good indication that it may do well at longer ranges, it is no guarantee of good performance at 100 yards. Sometimes it seems that we're never done testing, lol, though usually one or more that do well at 50 will make the cut for a 100 yard choice.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-08-2019, 02:34 PM
varmit hunter67's Avatar
varmit hunter67
US Army Veteran Law Enforcement Officer NRA Member - Click Here To Join!

Join Date: 
Feb 2008
Location: 
Lilburn, GA, near Stone Mtn.
Posts: 
4,317
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
The rifle in your first post looks like a 1022 I bought my son for a college graduation present in 2000. It was the heavy barreled Ruger model with the hammer marks on the barrel. It is scary accurate.

I guess it is the same rifle.

VH
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-08-2019, 07:58 PM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by crackedcornish View Post
25yds doesn't really tell you much..shoot some at 50yds at least

I have seen barrels that shoot great at 25, shoot patterns at 50
I'm looking for an indoor range where I can do that. The range I work at is unfortunately only 25 yards. I love shooting at 50 and 100.

I'm not really buying that, under the same conditions (i.e. same indoor, temp-controlled range), a gun that shoots great at 25 is gonna give patterns at 50, or 100. (But of course the groups will get larger the farther out you go.) This is assuming sufficient magnification needed for each distance, of course. If you are comparing results at a 25-yard indoor range to an outside range so you can shoot longer distances, then it's apples and oranges since the variables are no longer controlled. Temp, humidity, wind.

Even shooting at the same outdoor range at different distances can introduce wind variations that affect the bullet's flight. Not the fault of gun, ammunition or shooter. So that may be why something good at 25 yards is not so good at longer ranges.

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-21-2019 at 11:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-08-2019, 09:25 PM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
To continue the above. I have very few apples/apples comparisons to give you guys, but here is one shooting my Squires Bingham Model 20 (now sold as an Armscor M20P) at 50 and 100 yards. I remember that as being a nice windless day. Sept 24, 2017. (I looked up the post to get the data below.)

At 50 yards I shot five groups of five shots, coming up with best 4-shot, average for all five 4-shots, best 5-shot and average for all 5-shot groups.
SB20 at 50 yards
best 4.....avg 4.......best 5.....avg 5
0.13........0.35........0.23........0.51........Wo lf Match Extra....all five 4-shots @ 0.50" or below!

Next is a 5-shot group with the same ammo, same day, same outdoor range, at 100 yards.
The only group shot gave a 4-shot 0.58, and a 5-shot 0.76.

So you can see that the 100 yard 4-shot 0.58, cut in half to mimic shooting at 50 yards, falls nicely in the 50-yard results range: 0.29 is below and quite close to the 50-yard average of 0.35, and well above the best 4-shot at 50 of 0.13.
Similarly, the 0.76 at 100, cut in half, would be 0.38 at 50--falling almost exactly in the middle of the best-5 and average-5 numbers.

To make it more graphic, here is an approximation of how the groupings would fall:
best 4.....avg 4.......best 5.....avg 5
0.13........0.35........0.23........0.51........Wo lf Match Extra, 50 yards, five groups
..........0.29...................0.38............. ....Wolf Match Extra, 100 yards, one group (group size cut in half)

This is all the evidence I can cough up, but it makes sense to me.

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-08-2019 at 10:07 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-08-2019, 10:36 PM
Tom_in_MO's Avatar
Tom_in_MO
US Army Veteran

Join Date: 
Apr 2016
Location: 
St. Louis, MO
Posts: 
1,751
TPC Rating: 
100% (1)
Predictions for how this gun will shoot at 50, 100 and 200 yards.

If you throw out the highest and lowest groups of the six, the .41 and one of the .14s goes, leaving you with a CTC average for four groups of .15--a .14, two .15s and a .16. So by simple math, with a 25-yard range of .14 - .16, I would expect these group size ranges, after converting the CTC 25-yard groups back to OTO by adding .22". I'm just doubling the OTO results of each previous group, then subtracting .22" from the projected OTO results.
.........OTO measurements.....CTC measurements
25 yards...... .36 - .38.......... .14 - .16
50 yards...... .72 - .76.......... .50 - .54
100 yards.... 1.44 - 1.52...... 1.22 - 1.30
200 yards.... 2.88 - 3.04...... 2.66 - 2.82

But this doesn't feel right at all! This gun is much more accurate than my Squires Bingham, and I got .76 with the SB at 100 yards. Now I am seriously confused. My gut tells me that 100 yards should give a multiple-group average of .60" (.15" x 4), based on how the SB shot and this gun being superior to it.

Last edited by Tom_in_MO; 11-08-2019 at 11:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-08-2019, 11:22 PM
Clem-E's Avatar
Clem-E

Join Date: 
Mar 2007
Location: 
North TX
Posts: 
3,566
TPC Rating: 
100% (9)
I have been able to get quite a few groups in the .4s out of my T barrel pictured above at 50y. occasionally itll shoot above 1/2", and i think my best has been high .3s. but i have probably only put a brick of ammo out of it so far.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:59 AM.

Privacy Policy

DMCA Notice

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2000-2018 RimfireCentral.com
x