I dont know a thing about these.

[country6220]

I know nothing about russian rifles except I do own a toz. Its a pretty accurate gun but does not compare to my cz. I was in a gun shop today talking to one of the salesmen and he asked me if I ever thought buying a russian gun. He showed me a couple with a straight pull bolt, it was pretty neat and he said they were accurate. As I have been checking out the posts, I see alot of bench rest style guns. What Iam looking for is more of a sporter stock, and accurate. I would mainly shoot targets but some squirrel hunting. But I do want something that will shoot as good or better as my cz 452. Any suggestions? Something that known to shoot good at 50yds or so. what models have sporter style stocks? Sorry for asking a question that you all probably already answered a thousand times.

[toivo]

Did it look something like this?

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Biathlon_7-2.htm

Do a search on "Biathlon Basic" in this forum, and I think you'll find that a lot of people love them. I do.

I know that people hunt with them--I shoot targets with mine. It's very accurate and has an excellent trigger, IMO.

[aom22]

For starters read some of the references under :

Sticky: BI-7-2 Basic

In particular: Biathlon Basic 7-2KO (BI-7-2KO) & Izhmash Sobol

I'd also look at the Sticky: Winchester Wildcat 22 (TOZ-78)

If your TOZ-78 is not shooting as well as your CZ, perhaps you should follow
_some basic procedures to extract the maximum accuracy potential from your rifle.

Ammunition selection ... try a variety of ammunition
_and do not exclude standard velocity selections - do not avoid milder ammo ... try it.
Check your rifle's bedding ... make sure the action is secure and barrel is free floating.

[aom22]

I's also take a look at the Sobol Carbine if you are more intersted in a light sporter.

[midwest swiss]

More to read.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=243343
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...light=squirrel
I have 2 CZ's & one BB and the accuracy is about the same but my BB responds
more with match grade ammo because of the match chamber.
The CZ's don't have match chambers.

Swiss

[MK111]

My BB shoots great. Wouldn't be without a BB.

[country6220]

whats the difference between the sobol and the BI 7-2 basic? I see the stock is alittle different and I guess the sobol is a bit lighter. Any thing elsa?

[aom22]

Originally Posted by country6220

whats the difference between the sobol and the BI 7-2 basic...?

The Sobol rifle has a lighter barrel with magazine storage in the sporter styled stock.
The receiver of the Sobol rifle is grooved for telescopic sights.

The Biathlon Basic has a heavy barrel with a weaver rail and straight stock.
The BI-7-2KO at 7.7 pounds weighs about a pound more than the Sobol.

[toivo]

Originally Posted by aom22

The BI-7-2KO at 7.7 pounds weighs about a pound more than the Sobol.

Are you sure about that weight? My Biathlon Basic with a Mueller APV is just a hair under 7.5 pounds. That's the weight limit for Sporterifle, and I've weighed it over and over again.

[midwest swiss]

OMG.....my BB better start taking Slim-Fast. Mine weighs in at 8.25lbs ready for hunting..LOL BSA 2-7X32MM & barrel dia. is .75"

Thats the way I like my hunting rifles...7-9lbs.

Swiss

[country6220]

ok I see one sobol on gunbroker and no 7-2's, I was just looking for a price reference. I think the sobol would probably be best for me, do they both have match chambers? what's about the average cost for these rifles?

[aom22]

Originally Posted by toivo

Are you sure about that weight...?

Quoting RAA information.

Sobol Carbine ... Weight w/o Magazine or Accessories 6.6 lbs
BI-7-2KO Carbine ... Weight w/o Magazine or Accessories 7.7 lbs

On second look, it appears the BI-7-2KO Carbine weight data maybe reversed - 7.0 lbs.
Moreover, an older article lists the BI-7-2KO as lighter.

EAA’s Biathlon Basic .22 Accurate Out-of-the-Box

Weight : 6.1 pounds

toivo ... thanks for pointing-out this discrepancy - aom22.
I'm embarrassed that I didn't notice this myself.

[toivo]

Originally Posted by aom22

toivo ... thanks for pointing-out this discrepancy - aom22.
I'm embarrassed that I didn't notice this myself.

Don't be embarrassed, aom22--it was their mistake, not yours. You provide a lot of valuable information on here.

midwest swiss, you've got some serious high-comb action going on with that stock, not to mention the extra-long rail. Not to mention sling swivels and a leather sling. None of those things are made of feathers! There's your weight-gain right there.

[aom22]

country6220 ... take a look at the following thread and single post:

My 2nd Legion Sobol in Premire Oxide - aom22
Another Legion Sobol

If you're looking for an uncommon, semi-custom, accurate,
RU .22lr rifle ... the Legion Sobol maybe it.
If you can find one.

Receiver Marking & Documentation for 2nd Legion Sobol KO-10 Carbine

Test Targets: Average of three, five-shot groups at 50 meters - 13.3mm (.524 inches)
1st Group: 16.5mm (.650 in) 2nd Group: 8.5mm (.335 in) 3rd Group: 15mm (.591 in)

[midwest swiss]

Originally Posted by country6220

ok I see one sobol on gunbroker and no 7-2's, I was just looking for a price reference. I think the sobol would probably be best for me, do they both have match chambers? what's about the average cost for these rifles?

As far as I know all the Russian built .22Lr rifles have match chambers even the Toz 78.
I paid $320 for my BB 7-2KO in 05.