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Old 01-02-2019, 10:33 AM
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Which Production Bolt (Action) Would You Choose To Build a Sporter Rifle and Why



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Just as the title said I keep wondering of all the new and old bolt actions rifles out there, which ones are the best to work with in building a new Sporter/squirrel rifle? I have really loved working with the Remington 581 action but they are getting harder to find and the price is getting a little higher. These are a rifle that if you have had one you have probably found it to be very accurate. I didn't necessarily rebuild or modifiy them to make a more accurate Sporter but did it to make something more "special" to me and my son's. I might like a different stock, trigger, barrel or everything but wanted to make sure the action I started with was worth the time and effort to build around. In this thread I'm not looking for people to comment on how it was already plenty accurate or why would you spend more money on a gun that already shot well etc. That's no different than saying why would you go to a bar and spend $3.50 on a beer that you can drink at home for $1.00, you may do that for many reasons but odds are you are getting some kind of enjoyment out of it.

Right now I will keep scrounging for 581 actions as I love using them for builds, I think they are a great platform. As some of these new rifles, CZ 457, Tikka T1x, Lithgow etc, become more available on the used market there will be deals available to the sharp eye and they will be used for builds. If they prove to be exceptional platforms they will be bought new and pulled apart as DJ and others have shown us these can be even better rifles . It's not a negative towards the rifle but a compliment towards the action so don't start getting offended if you think yours is the greatest rifle ever and why would anyone every destroy one. I personally had a hard time convincing myself to pull apart my first 581 as they aren't made anymore and you can't replace them but mainly it already shot better than a lot of people are happy with in the squirrel woods.. My last build I pulled apart a very nice early production, small port walnut stocked 581 but I absolutely love the gun I built with it. Would I do this to an all original, primo condition Remington model 37 that I had to pay $1800 for?, I doubt it but that is a highly collectable gun and I am a cheapskate. Haha

Anyway, if you like to play and want to build, what platform do you think looks best? I am really getting interested in the CZ 457 and the Tikka T1x. They are starting out in a price range that as used ones come back onto the market may be priced very well. Say a CZ 457 Scout used may be $250ish or a Tikka could land in that upper $300 range?. If I knew of a custom action that was a repeater, light weight, and in that $3-400 range I would also really look at it. If some of these actions were available new in a decent price range I would just go that route but typically if you can buy a new action the price is more than a complete used gun. Also when your done dismantling a used gun you can then sell the extra parts and recoup some of your initial cost.

Well I think you can get the feel for what direction to go in this thread.
1. What action do you think would work well for a build?
2. Why
3. No crying about taking a gun apart or "your gun" is fine the way it is. Lol
4. If you want, what would the end product be? Barrel, stock trigger, scope etc

Here are a few rifles I built using the Remington 58x series rifles. I have built others for friends and they all shot as well as the original rifles or better but mainly they were just more for what I wanted and the purpose I wanted. If some people want to argue spending money on a cheap action, the camo stocked rifle is a barreled action that was given to me in parts, I reworked the trigger, reset the headspace, dropped it in an old Anschutz stock that I reinletted and pillered and bedded and have a $65 scope on. It may very well be my favorite squirrel rifle, that is with some pretty steep competition including a Cooper, Weatherby, Anschutz and more. I have about $145 in the entire setup because I did it myself. If I had to hire it done and pay new price for everything what would it cost, barreled action $250, stock $300, all that labor from a smith $500? I really don't know if I would even sell it for that, is it worth it I don't know but when you build a custom how often can you recoupe your money? When you build it yourself it doesn't hurt so bad.

Should be interesting, what's your thoughts.
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Old 01-02-2019, 11:57 AM
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grg,

Great post! I really like the looks of the camo gun in your pic. All of them look well done.
I wish i had seen your post about the 581s before i sold a nearly new one with box for $300 earlier this year - and i made money on it at that price! Picked it up at auction and flipped it.

I have been contemplating a ruger american target rifle to buy and build up. They intrigue me because they are easy to work on and no one is going to cry if i modify or even ruin one of those.

I would definitely work on the trigger, play with action screw tension, run a bunch of different ammo through to see what it likes and add a DIP compensator just for fun. I think it could be a nice squirrel rig. I would have to go from there based on what it would do from the bench.

I your post starts an active discussion!
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:23 PM
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this is going to be a interesting thread. I am a tinker. a friend gave me a 581-s where the safety didn't work. I bought a 788 trigger off ebay and tried to do the trigger job of adding screws and moving the pivot point up. it didn't work out. so then I tried to grind the safety engagement to the sear on the 581 trigger, ground too much. put the safety on pull the trigger let the safety off firing pin would drop. went on ebay got another 581 trigger put it on works like it should. bought a 504 Remington 17 mach 2. I like 22s so I bought a 1712 take off barrel took it to a guy with a lathe wanted him to turn it a few thos bigger to fit the receiver tighter. go back he cut it the same diameter of the 17 barrel. I buy a lathe I am learning to run it. I get a Anschutz biathlon 1827 barrel off ebay. I turn it down to a tight fit. had some lapua pistol match shot one group of 5 shots at 50 yards you could cover with a pencil eraser. best group I ever shot. got a finnfire it was pillared and bedded the crown was recut weird. it didn't shoot good. on ebay was a add for a sako barrel didn't say what it would fit but thought it was a 94 barrel 37 dollars. it was a factory 94 barrel put it on the gun it now shoots 1/2 inch at 50 yards. thank god I am not a doctor I would be buying kidneys and hearts on ebay. it will be good to see what other posters use I don't know how to thread barrels so I mess with slip in barrels and actions.
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:45 PM
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Thanks for the great responses, if you like to work on your own guns this is going to be a great thread.

When it comes to slip fit vs threaded barrels I don't think you can argue the ease of working with the slip fit. I have to thank DJ for helping me with the knowledge and desire to get going on these, but also looking at others builds such as Hushkaboom, dbr and many others even factory rifles that I know I can't necessarily afford and want to duplicate in a manor. As far as it goes to making other barrels work, a small shank can have a sleeve built to build it up and if it is oversize it is easy to turn it down and fit to perfection, I have done both.

If we can keep the negative comments out of here, people taking offense to the thought that "their" rifle needs to be improved when they know it doesnt we will get some great information here.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:15 PM
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to progress with my insanity I have to learn the cut chambers and extractor slots. I did take some rem 597 ten round mags and cut a slot to make them work in a 504. I hope to get new ideas here.
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I like the 581 actions and plan a custom build on one I have waiting. Also I have thought of using a BRNO model 1 action. CZ 452 would also be a top contender. Not sure what other actions would work and not cost to many $$$ for a do it yourself project. Another project I want to try is redoing a Winchester 9422 with an octagon to round barrel with rust blued metal and possibly a pistol grip. High grade wood, etc. Maybe redo a Winchester 1885 low wall in similar fashion?
I think having a good trigger either factory or aftermarket is important. That is an advantage for the 581.
I plan to try some scary stuff like checkering and maybe barrel turning and chambering!

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My first choice, if money was no object I would choose the Anschutz 54, then the Anschutz 64, Remington 40X then Winchester 52. The only time I might choose a Remington 541/580 style action, would be if it had 2 action screws and even at that, I would be hesitant. Just not smooth enough for me, and little can be done for the triggers, where Anschutz triggers are the best and you can get Jewel trigger for them. You have to be able to get triggers for them or the action means nothing. The barrel is the main part, next to that would be the locktime of that action and the trigger.
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:09 PM
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Gizzy, just for clarification are you looking at a Sporter build or target/bench type build? I guess I better also reword, for me this is not a if money was not of any importance thread.I really love for this to be a real world build scenario. I'm sure some people won't hesitate to dismantle a nice 40X but I can't spend $1100 on one and then pull it apart for the action. If that is the level that you are at then let's hear what the build would be because I'm sure there are others that could also do it.. Now If I found a butchered 1922 or A model 52 that was butchered I wouldn't hesitate to pull it apart if the purchase price was appropriate for the condition.

For me a 581 trigger can easily be reworked to the level of an extremely nice sprorter trigger or a 788 trigger can be used. Also one of the reasons I gravitated to the 581 was because of the extremely fast lock time, am I wrong about that? We all work at different levels.
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Right now I will keep scrounging for 581 actions as I love using them for builds, I think they are a great platform. As some of these new rifles, CZ 457, Tikka T1x, Lithgow etc, become more available on the used market there will be deals available to the sharp eye and they will be used for builds. If they prove to be exceptional platforms they will be bought new and pulled apart as DJ and others have shown us these can be even better rifles .
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Better rifles than what?
There are a few rifles that I'm aware of that come with an accuracy guarantee.
Kidd, Cooper, and the no longer manufactured Kimber.
Of the three mentioned, Cooper has the smallest measurement, accuracy guarantee, of 1/4 inch at 50 yards. In second place was Kimber with a .40.

40x, 54, might as well throw the 57M in there

I do not know who DJ is, or what rifles he sells. What is his accuracy guarantee?

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Old 01-02-2019, 10:48 PM
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TS, there are a number of custom builders that guarantee there builds with certain criteria. DJ represented his full out builds as being able to shoot at .2" with R50 or comparable ammo and I believe many people who bought his rifles would agree they could do that. I really am not trying to get into a accuracy guarantee thing. Some people opt to build or have a rifle built purely for asthetics, for me I like both asthetics and I still want to at least try to improve accuracy.

Better than what they were
What I meant was some of these guys can take a good rifle and make it better. A CZ may be a very good shooter but if you want to make it better you may opt to change barrels, do some stock work, modify or change out the trigger and the list goes on. It may be something to actually change how the rifle shoots or how you can shoot the rifle.

I hope that clarified what I meant.
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TS, there are a number of custom builders that guarantee there builds with certain criteria. DJ represented his full out builds as being able to shoot at .2" with R50 or comparable ammo and I believe many people who bought his rifles would agree they could do that. I really am not trying to get into a accuracy guarantee thing. Some people opt to build or have a rifle built purely for asthetics, for me I like both asthetics and I still want to at least try to improve accuracy.

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What I meant was some of these guys can take a good rifle and make it better. A CZ may be a very good shooter but if you want to make it better you may opt to change barrels, do some stock work, modify or change out the trigger and the list goes on. It may be something to actually change how the rifle shoots or how you can shoot the rifle.

I hope that clarified what I meant.
Thanks. You were referencing custom builds.
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The reason I am picky on actions that someone makes trigger for,l is my squirrel rifles have 16 oz. triggers on them. I have been used to light triggers since I was young, so anything heavier than 20oz. is too much for me. I know other actions can be reworked, but some just do not have available aftermarket triggers available, which I would need for me just for a sporter. I have KIDD trigger ready to go on my next 10/22 sporter build that is set at 1-1/2 lbs. Right in my wheelhouse... 16-20 oz.
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Gizzy there is a trigger from Timney for the Remington 788 that is easily modified to fit the 581 rifles. Adjustable from 1.5-3.5 lbs pull.
https://timneytriggers.com/remington-788/
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No1 choice, well I think those new Tikka T1x's are like the poormans 22lr stiller or Voodo and you are getting a really ridgid action for not a lot of $$ and it would be good for 22PRS-Varmint Hunting-or IBR 50 Benchrest.
No2 Yes an Anschutz 54 action for all of the above
No3 CZ452 or earlier for all of the above.
No4 A Turbo action for BR50 or IBR matches ONLY
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I'd go with the 455, lots of options out there for bbls, stocks, triggers, etc. They can be had for well under 400.00, sell off what you don't want, parts will be floating around for some time to come.
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