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Old 12-03-2017, 09:14 PM
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It's been a long while since I've had an air rifle. So I don't know what is good anymore.

My father in law wants one to eliminate squirrels in the back yard of a suburban neighborhood. They have an easement with a small creek and some huge trees that have a critter highway up there that goes for blocks. I would like something quiet and of decent enough quality that won't break the bank.

He quite honestly doesn't know much about shooting other than he wants to rid the place of squirrels. I don't know if pellet or BB, .177 or .22 will be recommended. What do you guys advise for this scenario?
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:28 PM
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Doh, Just saw sticky. ^^ Will read, but feel free to offer up advise if you can.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:31 PM
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Call pyramid air -- they have many solutions to your problem and some on sale too -- Merry Christmas--
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:47 PM
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I've always been partial to the 5mm Sheridans. I think Benjamin bought them out, but they still sell them. The caliber is halfway between .177 and .22, so it's perfect for squirrels.
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Theres many good rifles out there, for me PCP rifles are the best, for the money i recommend benjamin marauder 5.5. Youll need a pump or a tank to fill the rifle, but it will give you about 60 silent shots before you need to reload, with a 10 pellet rotatory magazine its amazing, 4.5 also works but for hunting 5.5 or .22 are the best in my opinion. You can buy it anywhere.
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:27 AM
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First thing first....you said suburban setting....so I am guessing in town....Make sure your town does not think an air rifle is a fire arm...lots of places treat them the same. Check with your city to find out for sure.

Then you are going to want something that is quiet, not too powerful, and remember the rule....know what is behind your target...then what is behind that. These guns are nothing to fool around with.

Now all that said.....pcp is a high entry platform....the costs are more then anything else out there, tanks, fills, adapters to get air out of the tank....really for your stated use it is going to be over kill.

He is also not likely to want to learn all the in's and out's of springers.....they are not the most easy thing to shoot, so I would suggest a multi pumper, or CO2, squirrels are usually not much of an issue in the winter, so that is not an issue.

I would suggest at first a benji 392, then second if all that pumping takes it out of the question hammerli 850. The advantage to the 392 is you can vary the power, and that can come in handy......the 850 is about the only co2 gun I would suggest for hunting that sized critter.....both are going to take good shot placement however.....and I would also say both are on the louder side and not real backyard friendly.

This is a real rabbit hole....I will help anyway I can.
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:54 AM
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Lots of wisdom in fpgt72 first line statement!
The thing that jumps out at me in JJ1022 initial post is where he states "He quite honestly doesn't know much about shooting".....that, a suburban setting and killing squirrels that other neighbors may enjoy watching, might not end well.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:36 AM
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Fpgt72 and tmen52 both have a point. Those two things aside, I know a guy who uses the daisy avanti single stroke pneumatic. It's quiet in case you don't want to be heard. And it's not too powerful so that in an urban setting you don't over penetrate and maybe break someone's window or worse. And it's head shot accurate out to about 15-20 yds. It's $250 at pyramid air right now or you can buy a used one from the CMP for around $100.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:04 PM
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Given the situation described, I recommend a single-stroke spring piston rifle. They are about the simplest to operate and are relatively quiet unless you get a magnum power, which I do not recommend. The high power springers are tougher to cock and they are more difficult to learn to shoot accurately. Believe it or not, multi-pump air rifles are noisier than most springers, unless the multi-pumper is only pumped 3 or 4 strokes. At that level the multi-pumper is not very powerful. Benjamin/Crosman and Gamo have inexpensive springer choices, but they do not hold a candle to most of the Euro offerings, IMHO. My recommendation is a Weihrauch HW30/Beeman R7 or a Weihrauch HW50. The HW30 and R7 are mechanically the same rifle, but you get to pay more for the Beeman brand. Just understand that spring piston guns need to be held with the "artillery hold" for best accuracy. For the unwashed, this is a loose hold that allows the bidirectional recoil to do its thing. Some folks call it the "silhouette" hold because metallic silhouette rifle shooters use the same method. If a scope is part of the plan, get one and mounts that is/are built and rated for spring piston airguns.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:29 PM
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It's been a long while since I've had an air rifle. So I don't know what is good anymore.

My father in law wants one to eliminate squirrels in the back yard of a suburban neighborhood. They have an easement with a small creek and some huge trees that have a critter highway up there that goes for blocks. I would like something quiet and of decent enough quality that won't break the bank.

He quite honestly doesn't know much about shooting other than he wants to rid the place of squirrels. I don't know if pellet or BB, .177 or .22 will be recommended. What do you guys advise for this scenario?
1. Pellet not BB. .22 or .177 are both fine. The .22 hits a bit harder but it's not like it will get you beyond small game. Buy a few tins of JSB diabolo pellets and he'll be set.
2. For $150 or less, get a Benjamin 392 "pumper". Gamo and other brands make spring piston rifles that claim more power and lots and lots of velocity but the quality varies widely, power and velocity are often much less than advertised, the scopes fall apart, etc. For a gift that you want to just "work" the 392 is my choice.
3. If you don't want the trouble of pumping like a 392 and can afford about twice that price, an R9 or Diana 34 are a really nice gift and gets you into something that does not need lots of help out of the box. Said another way, this is the entry level of a truly functional spring piston rifle. Make sure the scope and scope mounts are "springer rated".
4. If you want to buy an even nicer gift, you'll need to give us more info and a budget.
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I urge you to go pcp and go .22 for the humane reasons of accuracy and power. Let him get the scope, tank, pump, etc. Benjamin Discovery is a good little rifle, the Marauder is better. I recently took a 43 lb bobcat in my backyard w/a .25 Marauder! But the .22 is actually more practical for squirrels, birds, and plinking. The .177 is just not a good solution for reliable one shot kills for a normal shooter. I love airguns and have many of all types but most do not have the power for consistantly clean kills. Some of the new single stroke nitro piston .22s are very good, but the pcps are the right tools for the job.

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Old 12-05-2017, 02:15 AM
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Given your parameters, I'd go with this. I like mine...

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Beema...ifle/4120/7860

One caveat - Co2 doesn't do well if it's cold out. But if you can shoot out of a window/doorway, or keep the gun inside and just bring it out to pop a squirrel when he appears, all will be well.
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As an avid air gun shooter in younger years and with a big air gun culture in the U.K. Due to our stupidly restrictive firearms laws. I have owned over 100 different airguns at some stage or another.

Squirrels abound here in the UK and the grey American squirrel, is considered an invasive species.And therefore we are encouraged to shoot them. They are tough little buggers and I have dispatched many with an air rifle but with a standard 12ft pound gun, you need to be very consistent with shot placement.

It is very easy to wound and inhumanely kill squirrels as my neighbor did we kept finding the poor little things crawling across our land, often horribly wounded. My rim fire even had difficulty in killing one or two.I had to put 3 shots into the little beast before he went down.

In the good old days you used to get a few shillings for every squirrel tail you brought to the local police station!

think carefully before your purchase

you have 3 options

1. PCP (pre charged pneumatic ) air rifles are very good.They are highly accurate and have no recoil, fitted with a sound moderator they are spookliy quiet.

There is a downside however; you will need a divers bottle or a specialist compressor to "charge" the gun, the divers bottle depending on capacity will have to filled by a specialist or scuba divers centre. You can buy a stirrup pump however you will hurt your back if you are not careful.

PCP rifles have a nasty habit of leaking air as well and need a fair amount of maintenance. Do not leave them without air as the seals will go, always leave them fully charged. Also buy a set of spare seals

2. Co2 rifles in my opinion are no good for hunting. Co2 suffers in cold weather and as each shot is fired your velocity drops ever so slightly, so you constantly have to guesstimate you aim point. Also you will need to buy Co2 bulbs constantly and the cost will soon rack up.

3. Spring rifles are in my opinion the very best option for a hunter.
get a high quality German rifle like an Weirauch, or even better an old Webley and Scott (before they were sold to a Turkish firm) they are built like a firearm. I believe Beeman imported them.

My personal choice would be a Wierauch HW80 this thing is built like a tank and is definatley built for a man not a child it is also very accurate. Alternatively but I am biased being British a Webley Vulcan or Exocet. In .22 /5.5 mm (not 5.6mm).

Failing that get a Cometa they are very good for the price and very well made.

What makes spring rifle so goo, is this simple thing. You don’t need any additional equipment pumps, divers bottles or Co2 canisters or all that bumpf. PCP and Co2 are fine for plinking but the novelty soon wears off. Also C02 fires a lot of moisture down the bore and rust can be an issue.

All a spring rifle needs is pellets and a pocket to put them in!

One caveat with a springer. if you want to mount a scope. Get steel fullbore rifle type scope rings and a high quality scope as the spring recoiling tends to shift them around a lot.

And as for calibre. We have a saying in the UK .22 for fur, .177 for feather.

hope this is of some help

List of some of the Airguns I've owned,

Air Arms Jackal .22 FN-FAL lookalikey
Air arms TX200 .177 Competition spring rifle.
ASI Paratrooper rifle .177 Rare
ASI PR45 pistol .177 lead ball/pellet
ASI/Gammo compact .177 target pistol.
BSA meteor rifle Mk1,2 ,7 .22 &.25 I had around 3 of these
BSA Scorpion (pistol).177 & .22 again I had about 3 of these
BSA Supersport spring rifle.177
BSA 240 magnum pistol .22 /5.5mm very powerful!
BSA Lightning spring rifle .25
BSA Scorpion PCP rifle .177
BSM .177 German air rifle.
Brockock orion 6 .177 air cartridge pistol (pre ban)
Brockock ME.38 .22 air cartridge pistol (pre ban)
Brockock HW cobra .38 .22 air cartrdge pistol stainless (pre ban)
Brockock HW cobra .38 .177 air cartrdge pistol (pre ban)
Brockock Harper Jackal .22 take down air rifle (pre ban)
Brockock Harper micro pistol .22 air cartridge pistol (pre ban) so sad to let it go!
Brockock Harper micro pistol .25 air cartridge pistol (pre ban)
Brockock Harper pen pistol .22 air cartridge pen! (pre ban)
Brockock Harper pipe pistol (Tobbaco pipe lookalike) air cartridge pipe! (pre ban)
Cometa Fenix .177
Cometa Youth .177
Crossman 22/45 rat buster .22
Crossman Rabbit stopper .22
Diana push barrel pistol .177
Diana Air king Rifle .177 very nice.
Daisy 717 powerline .22 (utter trash)
Daisy powerline rifle .177 bb and pellet.(utter trash)
HW 35 rifle .177 super nice
HW 45 pistol .22 & .177 pistol
HW 77 rifle .22
HW 80 rifle .177 rifle German precision
HW 90 rifle .22
HW 90.rifle gas ram (total crap)
Relum Telly rifle .177 (junk)
Relum tornado rifle .22 nice I think made by CZ ?
Webley Tempest pistol .177, 20 & .22 I had about 5 of these including a shoulder stocked version.
Umarex Walther ppk co2 bb gun. Not accurate at all.
Umarex Sig P226 .177 co2
Umarex Colt 1911 .177co2
Umarex Walther p88 .177 co2 pistol
Webley Mk1 .177 pistol (pre war)
Webley junior .177 smoothbore (freakishly accurate) I still have this gun.
Webley Senior .22 raked grip (pre war)
Webley senior .177 1950's
Webley premier .22 late 1960's the best of the best.
Webley Tracker .177 air rifle my first high powered airgun.
Webley Vulcan .22 air rifle bad arse
Webley hawk .177, 20, .22 & .25 (the gun Webley wish they never made) Trash!
Webley Nemesis .22 air pistol (complete crap)
Webley service Rifle in .177 & .22 very rare
Record junior pistol .177 this was a mouse gun
Record Jumbo .177 pistol
Record Jumbo deluxe .177 one of my favorite spring pistols.

It got to the point where I had far too many airguns.

I sold all but two to fund my firearms usage and collection and put the money towards a mortgage and a fine Italian shotgun.

The only ones I have left are the Webley Junior which was handed down from my Granddad and dad to me I will not sell it ever.Also it is a beautiful.
And the Cometa junior air rifle for mouse killing with a lamp!
if anyone has any questions on airguns.im your man feel free to ask advice.

My current Fireams are

Berreta silver pigeon o/u 20 gauge shotgun its a beauty
Ruger 10/22 SBR
Anshutz modell 54 made in 1966 Formerly owned by the British Olympic team.
Marlin 38/357 pre remington
Lee enfield SMLE's .303
Ruger 77 mk2 compact in .223

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2. Co2 rifles in my opinion are no good for hunting. Co2 suffers in cold weather and as each shot is fired your velocity drops ever so slightly, so you constantly have to guesstimate you aim point. Also you will need to buy Co2 bulbs constantly and the cost will soon rack up.
None of that is much of a concern if all one's doing is popping an occasional squirrel in the yard. Cost? 12gm Powerlets are ~50 cents. ~30 cents on sale. Lots of shots for little money, and no need to multi-pump or break a barrel to compress a sproingy spring.

Co2 is the ultimate lazy man's hunting airgun power. And it's dirt cheap per shot.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:33 AM
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Hmm, Wiherauch HW80,verrrrry interesting- as Artie Johnson used to say. This is a nice thread.
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