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Old 07-25-2010, 10:13 AM
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I'm not very familiar with the Russian target rifles, other than what I've been looking up here at RFC.

With that said, I have a couple of questions.
First off, How is the barrel attached on the CM-2?
How realistic is it to rebarrel a CM-2?
Generally speaking how accurate are the CM-2's?

I noticed in another thread the rear aperture was changed to the Anschutz, How difficult was this?, were there any modifications necessary??

The reason I ask is I this fellow at work that coaches a youth air rifle, and smallbore team. We talk a considerable amount about shooting in general.
A couple of weeks ago he begins to goad me into competing in 3 position smallbore events. Well, not being setup for this discipline I don't want to burn alot of cash on something that may not work out for me.

I've been looking at various disciplines of competition for some time now.
I figure I better get my feet wet now or quit thinking about it.

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Old 07-25-2010, 07:37 PM
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Hi Hutch, welcome to the forum.

I'll try to help you out where I can and there's alot of knowledgeable people who know more than me.

First off, How is the barrel attached on the CM-2?

I have a new CM-2 as opposed to the older vostock or ural models. I believe the barrel is pressed in and secured with engineering grade epoxy as is the front sight.

How realistic is it to rebarrel a CM-2?

It can be done. There is only one smith I know of who advertises that he rebarrels Izhmash rifles. That's Marc Sheppard from Altius Firearms. He is a busy smith and you'd have to be patient for the work to be completed. I talked with Mac Tilton at MT guns about this and I believe he can and would do it for you if you really want. But, one of the things about these russian rifles is that they come with a very good barrel. Look through some of the posts by Charlotte as she regularly competes and see what her factory barreled action is capable of.

Generally speaking how accurate are the CM-2's?

I know that mine will hold the 10 ring, I've shot .375 in groups with a 4x scope off a bipod at 50 yards. I haven't had much time to shoot recently in my hast to finish my BB project. But that will be changing in the near future.

I noticed in another thread the rear aperture was changed to the Anschutz, How difficult was this?, were there any modifications necessary??

The difficult part about this is that the Izhmash sights are threaded M9 x 1 where the Anschutz Iris is threaded M9.5 x 1. If you buy the rifle new from MT Guns, they can tap the sight to accept the Anschutz Iris. I think there are a few people that sell an adapter, so you could solve the problem that way also. I know that Altius sells an adapter for the front sight but I'm not 100% positive on the rear sight.

Hope this helps

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Old 07-25-2010, 07:40 PM
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Hi Hutch,
Putting the Anschutz rear sight on the CM-2 is sort of a no brainer. Although it doesn't really fit I slid a piece of piano wire underneath the dovetail on one side and tightened the screws down and that was it. It's rock solid and I've never had a problem. I actually position the rear sight on the dovetail with the screws loose and then slide the wire into the gap on the left side of the dovetail, but you can do it on the right side if you prefer.
The only excuse I would have for rebarreling a CM-2 would be if I had a Cadet model. I'd want longer and heavier, but otherwise I can't see why anyone would want to rebarrel a CM-2 unless it had a bad bore. Accuracy on my CM-2 leaves nothing to be desired. Maybe an avid benchrest shooter would find it lacking but then most avid benchrest shooters find Anschutz factory barrels lacking. Even with Anschutz rifles, some are better than others, so I'm sure there is a CM-2 out there somewhere that may be better than mine and some that may be a little less than mine. With good ammo the gun will hold the X ring on any NRA 50 or 100 yd target.
The modifications needed for the rifle are
1. a new accessory rail $12 and handstop $27.50-$32.00 champchoice
2. adjustable cheekpiece $165 masterclass stocks doing the installation
3. plastic inserts for front globe $20
4. send the rear sight to Altius and have the sight rethreaded to 9.5X1m so that you can use aftermarket adjustable irises. Don't know the price on that but should be very cheap and certainly way, way, way cheaper than buying an Anschutz rear sight. I have mine because I have a 1907 Anschutz and did not buy it for my CM-2. So, easily under $300 not counting having the rail installed.
I shoot against 1913's, 2013's, G&E's and do not feel outgunned. People look down on the CM-2 and I think it's a combination of lack of familiarity with the gun and the rifle looks a little on the crude side compared to an Annie.
The trigger is not as good as the Anschutz trigger, it's somewhat heavier meaning you have to execute better trigger control.
That's it. So for about $900 total you are in business including sights and sling.
I suggest you practice with SK Std Plus or Wolf MT and use it as your match ammo for the early part of your involvement. Once your scores start to climb switch to better match ammo and save the SK or Wolf for practice.
I'm human, I'd love a nicer rifle but I wouldn't dare change rifles right now because of my last match. I'm 160 shots into the 700 required to get my next classification. I'm thoroughly familiar and confident with my CM2 and my ammo and if someone gave me a $7000 Bleiker I wouldn't shoot it till I have that new classification card in my hand.
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Old 07-26-2010, 08:47 PM
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Thank you both very much.

I will pursue this path of enlightenment....or or is insanity???? what's the difference??

I'll save these two posts to refer back to.

As far as ammo goes, I just can't seem to cope with okay accuracy, I mean shoot, I use the Eley Black box to hunt squirrels with

So, overall this CM-2 sounds like a winner all the way around.

Thanks again


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Rebarreling CM-2

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... First off, How is the barrel attached on the CM-2...?
The CM-2 barrel is similarly installed as a BI 7-2KO, 7-4, 7-3 and etc.

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... I just called the nice people at Altius (I guess my e-mail had just gotten lost in the ether : ).
The person I talked to was happy to answer my question(s).
The barrel is epoxied in (from the factory).
When the new barrel is installed, it is press fit in.
I was told that it would be about $500 for the new barrel (Krieger) and installation....
And, as Eastside Ptarmigan states.

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... I believe the barrel is pressed in and secured with engineering grade epoxy as is the front sight....
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... How realistic is it to rebarrel a CM-2?
The labor cost should be similar to a BI 7-4 ... plus the price of the barrel.

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Old 07-27-2010, 07:23 PM
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CM-2 Rear Aperture Sight ... Modifications

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... I noticed in another thread the rear aperture was changed to the Anschutz,
How difficult was this?, were there any modifications necessary..??
Going Anschutz is the ideal solution.
However, there are some less costly solutions.
Rear irises
Insert Adapter: Iris Adapter 7/32x40 (American) to 9.5mm (European)
CM-2 Rear Sight Mod - Anschutz Iris
Izhmash BI-7-4 & BI-7-3: Adjustable Diopter Iris & Adjustable Front Aperture
DIY Sight Inserts ... CM-2 Globe Insert Solutions
The 17mm diameter inserts are the KRAG. - 17mm Slimline Inserts work in CM-2
CM-2 Front Sight Inserts - CM-2 ... insert size of 16.85mm
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:33 PM
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Charlotte and Her CM-2

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... Generally speaking how accurate are the CM-2's...?
Charlotte has much experiance with the CM-2 to say the least.
Search for her threads and posts and you will learn all you need to know about the CM-2.
Range results for CM-2
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wow! that was alot of effort to say the least......I mean all the links and everything.....WOW!

I've never had anyone on any other board go to that effort to make sure I had ALL the pertinent information.

AOM22 You are the super moderator to say the least...Thank you, very much!


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wow! that was alot of effort to say the least......I mean all the links and everything.....WOW!

I've never had anyone on any other board go to that effort to make sure I had ALL the pertinent information.

AOM22 You are the super moderator to say the least...Thank you, very much!


Hutch
Ya.... AOM22 sure is a Super Moderator....
I will tut my own horn a little...LOL
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=345973
Here is the bottom of the CM-2 receiver.

Side view

Milled out of a block of steel & I don't believe they are heat treated ( no warp-age)
Has a fence post of a firing pin & the strike on the rim is just like Calfee likes it for killer ignition.
Has super strong claw extractors & will shoot Russian steel cased ammo all day-long.

I have three different Russian built .22 Rf rifles & the Russians do know how to built no frills rifle's
that just flat out do there job's very well....Built like the old John-Deere tractors.
I do think if they would Americanize them they couldn't keep them on the gun shop racks fast enough.

Swiss

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Midwest Swiss ... Great Source of Izhmash Rimfire Info

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... I will tut my own horn a little...LOL
Hutch ... Midwest Swiss has much experience with the CM-2 and BI 7-2.
As such, he has started many threads and posted much useful information on these Russian rifles.
He is a very good and prolific source on Izhmash rimfires.
Trigger diagram for my CM-2 Cadet made in 04 - midwest swiss

CM-2 standard vs. cadet

Just some tinkering with the CM-2 Cadet ... Epoxy Bed Scope Rings & Bore Guide Source

Scoping a CM-2

Sight removal

CM-2 Range Report

My little 8lb CM-2 Cadet still has it.

CM-2 Porn Request

First range report CM-2 Cadet

RAA cm2 cadet 19.6"and cm2 26"BBL

Me & my CM-2 had a good day - 50 yard Groups

CM-2 (SM-2) & Biathlon 7-3, 7-4 Sporting Rifles IZHMASH

Owners Manual for CM-2???

CM-2 Rear dove tail ...Scope? -- What are the options for mounting a scope?

CM-2 Trigger-travel screw - SM-2KO basis for SM- 2 aka: CM-2
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