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Can these be purchased new in the USA today? It appears they are still being manufactured. What is a typical price?
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BI-7-2KO Basic ... M.T. Guns

Larsen Recruit Rifle or Izhmash Kadet (Similar to BI-7-2KO Version 05) ... Altius Handcrafted Firearms

Izhmash BI-7-4 or BI-7-3 ... Altius Handcrafted Firearms
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Larsen Recruit Rifle or Izhmash Kadet (Similar to BI-7-2KO Version 05) ... Altius Handcrafted Firearms

Izhmash BI-7-4 or BI-7-3 ... Altius Handcrafted Firearms
Thanks for those links. How about the basic Sobol sporter?
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:38 AM
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Sobol Small Bore Rifle

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The SOBOL IS A SMALL BORE RIFLE should be available directly from the Russian American Armory.

I'd ask my local dealer to see if he could special order the rifle for me.
As to price, I don't know what the current MSRP would be - so few SOBOLs are sold.
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The SOBOL IS A SMALL BORE RIFLE should be available directly from the Russian American Armory.

I'd ask my local dealer to see if he could special order the rifle for me.
As to price, I don't know what the current MSRP would be - so few SOBOLs are sold.
I wonder why they aren't more popular. They look interesting to me.
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Popularity of the Izhmash Sobol

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... They look interesting to me.
Well, I sort of glad you asked the question.
But, any answer would be more in the realm of speculation than fact.

The marketing and sales of RU firearms in the USA have been
_a trail littered by "start ... then, stop" endeavors.
Izhmash: Previous Importers
Why this has happened, probably, has to do more with poor marketing and high pricing.
Moreover, the sort of person interested in Russian commercial firearms
_(that would include me ) is very price sensitive.

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I wonder if US manufacturers have tried to make it difficult to import...

It seems that there are some fine rifles used around the world that have a difficult time getting into the USA. I can't imagine that a properly priced Sobol, if marketed well, would not be a popular choice.

The Zastava Z5 is another import that seems to be a quality firearm yet it is not being sold through most mainstream US outlets. I've seen Z5s under $250, and I think the Sobol would do well at that price point. Over $300 and I'd rather start looking at a CZ 452 Trainer for $350.
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Here is a picture from www.tnguns.com that seems to be the Sobol, but with a slightly different stock. They currently have one on Gun Broker, but they are starting it at $600, and the stock finish looks terrible. This picture actually looks nice, and I like the Sobol configuration more than the BB. Notice that the magazine looks like a 10-round and there doesn't appear to be any storage under the butt stock:



It's too bad that their site says they "used to be able" to get them in.

Here is the picture from RAA for comparison:


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Remington ... Baikal ... Zastava

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I wonder if US manufacturers have tried to make it difficult to import....

No, I don't think so.
ZASTAVA - Charles Daly - REMINGTON
At one time Big Green (Remington) imported some of the Baikal line and a few of the Zastava series.
But, they just didn't import the complete line - so did Charles Daly and EAA.

Moreover, when Remington imported some Zastava centerfire rifles and rimfires,
_they replaced the traditional (desirable) walnut stock with a
_domestically produced laminated (love or hate) version - poor marketing.
And, the price on the rifles was higher than the MSRP for the Charles Daly version - how high? ... They didn't sell.

Currently, EAA is importing some of the Zastava firearms and has dropped the Baikal guns.
And, before anyone points-out that Baikal, Saiga, Izmash, et cetera are not the same,
_what has happened to one model line ... has or may occur to another.

Why?!?!?! ... That's another long story ... based, mostly, on speculation and conjecture.
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Here is a picture from www.tnguns.com that seems to be the Sobol, but with a slightly different stock....
That is the Legion Sobol
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Thanks for those links. So Legion converted the Izhmash Sobol to their own "artistic" version? Or are they similar, yet separately manufactured firearms?
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Sobol Magazine Storage ... 5-Round Magazines Only

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... Notice that the magazine looks like a 10-round
and there doesn't appear to be any storage under the butt stock....
Both rifles have storage in the stock for spare magazines.
However, not for 10-round magazines ... only the 5-round mags will fit.

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Thanks for those links. So Legion converted the Izhmash Sobol to their own "artistic" version?
Or are they similar, yet separately manufactured firearms?
<SLV> ... Grasshopper ... study the links I've provided.
In a short time ... you will answer most of your questions.

LEGION Ltd
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LEGION Ltd. was founded on the basis of Izhevsk Arms Factory....
Firearms weapons produced by the company features high quality,
period artistic treatment (threading, engraving, incrustation) and improved finishing....
Or, maybe you have - aom22.
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Where to get one of these in Canada

Title says it all!

Anybody know who sell these rifles in Canada?

Thanks!
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