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Old 05-04-2008, 11:28 AM
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the recent thread with the great pics of the modified bearcat with adj. sights got me to thinking. the sight picture on a stock bearcat is pretty poor....at least for my old eyes......and i was wondering if a simpler and cheaper modification to improve the sight picture (assuming the particular gun shoots to point-of-aim) would be to have a gunsmith install a fiber optic front sight? have any of you seen this or had this done? on my stainless bearcat, it is really tough to get a decent sight picture. just wondering what your thoughts weere on this. thanks......tonyg
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:07 AM
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Replacing the front sight should be pretty easy for any gunsmith.. I don't know how tough it would be to find a front sight of proper height, but I think anything that helps you hit is a good thing. You could have it dovetailed, or have a new base and blade soldered on. You could even get a base that allows you to swap blades out. I say go for it.
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the recent thread with the great pics of the modified bearcat with adj. sights got me to thinking. the sight picture on a stock bearcat is pretty poor....at least for my old eyes......and i was wondering if a simpler and cheaper modification to improve the sight picture (assuming the particular gun shoots to point-of-aim) would be to have a gunsmith install a fiber optic front sight? have any of you seen this or had this done? on my stainless bearcat, it is really tough to get a decent sight picture. just wondering what your thoughts weere on this. thanks......tonyg
i bought my first BC4 in 1967 it was aluminum frame my x wife got it over the years
I have owned several Bearcats but always wanted an adjustable sighted one.
I yearned for a Clements Bearcat http://www.clementscustomguns.com/bearcat.html with prewar S&W sights but the Price of the gun
+ the $ 550.00 that he wants is kinda steep for this old foggie. when Lipsey brought out the Adjustable sighted BC4 I got real excited and acquired one .
Trouble with the front sight is that it is indeed difficult to see as well as being regulated for 25 yards. Heck I can barely see the target at that range.
At closer range I run out of adjustment on the rear sight. It is odd that on the standard Bearcat I have no problem regulating POA to POI . What's the solution?
Your idea of a fiber optic FS is a good one. My solution is getting a replacement sight from Ruger and filing it down a bit as well as thinning the sides so i can see more light between the rear sight window. I'm giving that a shot.
Another temporary solution is to find a sight one likes and just glue it on with
Loctite black max adhesive (#380) designed to glue shotgun ribs on. I get mine from Brownells. avoids drill and tap and one can try different front sights.
I'll keep at it.

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Old 09-21-2018, 08:07 PM
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Normally, I stay out of 10 year old resurrected threads, but the Bearcat forum needs some activity.

I sure wouldn't mind a fiber optic for my stainless Shopkeeper. I know that might be sacrilege to some, but I want this thing to be a shooter not just a looker.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:07 PM
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Another temporary solution is to find a sight one likes and just glue it on with
Loctite black max adhesive (#380) designed to glue shotgun ribs on. I get mine from Brownells. avoids drill and tap and one can try different front sights.
I'll keep at it.

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I've never heard of that adhesive before. How do you remove the sight if you change your mind?
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:41 PM
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I'm too much of a Luddite to want different sights on my two stainless Bearcats. I have to have the traditional look. All I've done is to be sure the edge of the blade is dull. A couple of seconds with medium sandpaper or scotchbrite does that.

I'm not wild about the fiber sight on my .22 SP101. Too big to get an exact sight picture, a thinner standard blade would suit me better.
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I've never heard of that adhesive before. How do you remove the sight if you change your mind?
A bit of heat and it comes off no mess no fuss.

i have no problem with standard fixed sights on Bearcats always seemed to shoot at POA regardless of the Model Bear-cat or shop keeper these new ones have a slightly thinner front than the older ones
The older ones front sight was a tad thicker and the front face had serrations and to my eyes were easier to shoot well.

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Normally, I stay out of 10 year old resurrected threads, but the Bearcat forum needs some activity.

I sure wouldn't mind a fiber optic for my stainless Shopkeeper. I know that might be sacrilege to some, but I want this thing to be a shooter not just a looker.
Get a gunsmith to either replace the front with a blue front sight or just paint it then you will be able to see the sight better. A fiber optic is an idea but it just would not be very aesthetic looking, shotgun light pipes might do the trick. they are low profile. and glue on.

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Currently, I have the back of my Shopkeeper's front sight painted bright orange. It only helps if light reaches the back of the sight.

Plus, my Shopkeeper shoots very low. I can Kentucky windage it, but I'm used to guns that I don't have to do that to, including other fixed sight guns.
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A bit of heat and it comes off no mess no fuss.

Good to know. I'm not going to glue a sight on my Bearcat, but options for other possible uses might come in handy someday.
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Currently, I have the back of my Shopkeeper's front sight painted bright orange. It only helps if light reaches the back of the sight.

Plus, my Shopkeeper shoots very low. I can Kentucky windage it, but I'm used to guns that I don't have to do that to, including other fixed sight guns.
What distance are you shooting this shop keeper?
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the recent thread with the great pics of the modified bearcat with adj. sights got me to thinking. the sight picture on a stock bearcat is pretty poor....at least for my old eyes......and i was wondering if a simpler and cheaper modification to improve the sight picture (assuming the particular gun shoots to point-of-aim) would be to have a gunsmith install a fiber optic front sight? have any of you seen this or had this done? on my stainless bearcat, it is really tough to get a decent sight picture. just wondering what your thoughts weere on this. thanks......tonyg
Like I got old eyes as a die hard tinkerer I decided to attack this little problem.
I found two solutions, one kinda expensive for me ( fixed income etc), but it might work for others.

1) Fermin Garza make a dandy little front sight for the Adjustable sighted Bear cat.
His site is still under construction but you may see the sight here on Boge Quinn's
Video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6_EAHy_x24.
I on the other hand have gone another route I took a Ruger MK III front sight of a 4 inch pistol and screwed it on to the Bearcat, it's a bit long for the revolver about 1/8 inch sticks out from the front of the barrel. I'll cut this off as soon as I order a replacement for the MK III. Monday!
I took it out to my 45 foot range and shot it. this front sight is a bit thinner than the one Ruger put on the AS Bear-cat 4, I can see light on both sides on the sight.
the MK III sight measures 0.408 the BC4 0.556 difference of 0.148 and that sight was dead on at 45 feet. I am really satisfied, Cost of the Ruger front sight plus screw about $12.00.

Try it.

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Old 09-23-2018, 11:27 AM
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What distance are you shooting this shop keeper?

7 to 15 yards. At 10 yards, point of impact is an average of 2" to 2.5" low depending on ammo. Windage can be dead on with a lot of concentration, but if I shoot it quickly the muzzle pulls to the right on me.

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Get a gunsmith to either replace the front with a blue front sight . . .
I'm tempted to file the front sight to find the elevation I want, then pay a gunsmith to install a proper height drift adjustable front blade.
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My Bearcats shoot low, at my usual 50 feet, using standard 6 o'clock. 12 o'clock hold works, though. I don't file on fixed sights, that's only good for one distance anyway. I just remember my sight pictures.
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My Bearcats shoot low, at my usual 50 feet, using standard 6 o'clock. 12 o'clock hold works, though. I don't file on fixed sights, that's only good for one distance anyway. I just remember my sight pictures.

What makes 12 o'clock hold difficult in my situation is that my typical target is a 2.5" in diameter. Splitting that sized target in half means I only have 1.25" above center.

Since my Bearcat hits 2" to 2.5" low, aiming high to counter that drop means the target is visually blocked by the gun.
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