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Old 11-12-2018, 07:05 AM
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I am asking for help identifying a German single shot rifle in 6MM Flobert that was made between the wars.

A friend of mine bought it Saturday at a local gun show.

Does anyone know what manufacturer used a crest like I have drawn from memory?

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Old 11-12-2018, 08:27 AM
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Possibly Erma, but no guarantee.


B E could stand for Baumaschinenwerk ERMA


Pictures and/or better descriptions of all markings would be necessary for a positive ID
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Old 11-12-2018, 02:53 PM
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Thanks for your reply.

Here is a photo showing the rifle's markings. Just in front of the caliber marking are the crown over B, U, and G proof marks, hard to see in the picture.

My drawing from memory was not totally accurate.

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mkgr22,

That sure looks like a bow & arrow, with the letter "B" & "E" inside of it. What is the squareish symbol, dead-center of the marking?

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Old 11-13-2018, 04:56 AM
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Here is another photo of the crest my friend sent, it is indeed a bow and arrow.

The arrow passes through what appears to be a lower case "u".

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Old 11-13-2018, 07:21 AM
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In light of the fact that the crest is B "U" E, it is likely not an ERMA. It could either be a very small, obscure (at least to me) maker, or it could be the logo for a distributor/retailer; something the Germans did a lot with firearms.
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In light of the fact that the crest is B "U" E, it is likely not an ERMA. It could either be a very small, obscure (at least to me) maker, or it could be the logo for a distributor/retailer; something the Germans did a lot with firearms.
That's likely, since the rifle has a six digit serial number.
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:05 PM
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I suspect the rifle is a voere gmbh, Vonrenbach/Germany
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Old 11-20-2018, 07:16 AM
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I suspect the rifle is a voere gmbh, Vonrenbach/Germany
What makes you believe that? Voere emerged out of a bicycle pump manufacturer, called KOMA after WWII.

In order to establish just a production period, the proof signs need to be checked. Before and after WWII there were countless small manufacturers of the same simple Flobert rifle design.
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What makes you believe that? Voere emerged out of a bicycle pump manufacturer, called KOMA after WWII.

In order to establish just a production period, the proof signs need to be checked. Before and after WWII there were countless small manufacturers of the same simple Flobert rifle design.
Because I have the same rifle and have read the barrel markings.

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Because I have the same rifle and have read the barrel markings.

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So what are the markings that they indicate Voere, Voerenbach post-war manufacture? They would need to be post war proof marks from Ulm for Voere to fit into the right time frame and firearms imported or manufactured after 1953 needed to have a manufacturer, wholeseller or importer marking.

The OP had stated, that the gun was from in between the wars and Voere did not exist then.

http://www.voere.com/en/history.html#product-history

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Old 08-10-2019, 07:58 AM
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It could be Bohling & Eschrich, but you' ll have a hard time finding other information about them.
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:14 AM
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I bet the dealer was tickled to move it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:40 PM
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Possibly made for export as the markings use "Cal." instead of "Kal.".

Also, IMO the letter "u" between B&E would translate to "B und E"

What proof marks does it have?
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