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Old 11-21-2019, 07:11 PM
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Photos of pre-1958 Anschutz .22LR "Mannlicher" w DST. Serial Number 197417

It is a great looking rifle. Why do you believe it must be "pre-1958"?
I read in several different sources that after 1958 Anschutz started using date codes. Before 1958 all that appears on the barrel of an Anschutz is caliber designation and a single proof mark...like on this rifle. So this approximate date is what I am going with. I've had a few others...one with two-piece stock but only a single barrel band and one with a one piece fullstock and no barrel band (and a white line buttplate spacer)...and this rifle seems to be the oldest. I really don't care about the exact date all that much, but I do prefer older.

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Old 11-21-2019, 07:36 PM
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I read in several different sources that after 1958 Anschutz started using date codes. Before 1958 all that appears on the barrel of an Anschutz is caliber designation and a single proof mark...like on this rifle. So this approximate date is what I am going with. I've had a few others...one with two-piece stock but only a single barrel band and one with a one piece fullstock and no barrel band (and a white line buttplate spacer)...and this rifle seems to be the oldest. I really don't care about the exact date all that much, but I do prefer older.
Anschutz didn't use two digit date stamps until about 1961. Any previous dates, at least on 54 action sporters (possibly match models also) were stamped with three or four digits -- the month and the year of manufacturer.

In any event there is little definitive information about the first appearance of the 64 action, which is on the rifle in question. It would seem the earliest date that can be confirmed is late 1950's, or about 1958.

Anschutz had Flobert action sporter rifles that predate this, but they are not easily mistaken for the 64 action. The 54 action predates 1958, but not by more than about four or five years.
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....so call it a "circa 1958?"

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I don't want to go out on a limb and say for a fact that 1958 is the earliest date for a 64 action, but it appears that without evidence to the contrary that about 1958 is it. Your serial number appears to be among the earliest, so I'd say it is not unreasonable to think the rifle is from the 1958 - 1960 period.
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Old 11-22-2019, 06:22 AM
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robinpeck's 1418 displays all features that can be found on the first version of the 64 full-stocked rifle, from the tri-folder sight on the barrel boss, horn-spacer and end-cap, one piece stock, all the way to the DST. The 5056 and DST were the first triggers used in the 1415/1416 and the 5057 came more than just a few years later.

I have noticed on rimfire 54 sporters that the marking with the two digits when the gun was proofed was not consistently used from 1961 on. Anyway, Anschutz did not mark them but the proof house in Ulm did and Walther KKJ and KKM rifles, that were proofed in the same proof house, are also showing the two digit year code from 1961 on. Walther, in contrast to Anschmutz, has been more helpful answering questions of when a gun was made.


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Old 11-24-2019, 06:02 AM
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Thank you all very much for the useful information. I only recently purchased this rifle in Canada from a dealer/importer who had just brought in a big load of used Anschutz rifles from Europe. After paying both federal and local taxes and including the shipping cost, the total price was $600. (US). I think it was a bargain.

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A bargain and a beautiful rifle in fine condition. I think if I had seen it sooner at Trade EX, the dealer who brought in the rifles to which you refer, I would have been tempted. I waited too long to buy the 1422 with DST and it sold before I could make up my mind. That 54 action rifle might seem as a relative bargain too.
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"Germany", not "West Germany".

I also note that my rifle is marked "Germany", not "West Germany".

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I also note that my rifle is marked "Germany", not "West Germany".
Until at least 1964, if not later, Anschutz stamped "Germany" rather than "West Germany".
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