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Old 11-03-2016, 12:35 PM
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Case coloring on 2nd and 3rd model Winchester 1890/90s



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My reading of Schwing leads me to conclude that after Winchester stopped case coloring the receiver of its 2nd model in about mid 1901, it did nonetheless continue to case color the hammer, trigger and take down screws of its remaining 2nd model 1890s that were produced with blued receivers. (See Schwing p. 45 and photo on p.44). Is this correct?

What was Winchester's practice with respect to case coloring any exterior part of its 3rd model 1890/90s?

I have not seen any 3rd model 1890/90s that have not been restored that have any case colored exterior parts; however, I have seen restored 3rd model 1890/90s with custom engraving by Turnbull and by Angelo Bee that have either or both case colored hammers and take down screws. Are such restorations historically accurate in their use of case coloring on these 3rd model 1890/90s?

If Winchester did case color any exterior part on any of its 3rd model 1890/90s, which part or parts were case colored, during what time period and under what circumstance did this occur?

Thanks for any input that you may be able to provide with respect to the above.
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Old 11-03-2016, 03:21 PM
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I'm fairly positive that Austin's Guns nailed it on the Winchester collector forum. I have third models in the 1907-8 range that have case colored buttplates, hammers, and takedown screws, but only one of them...I'm thinking has all three, and it is a special order gun with three like sights.

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Old 11-03-2016, 04:34 PM
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James, Thanks. Will you post a photo of your 3rd model with "all 3"?

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Old 11-03-2016, 06:59 PM
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You're welcome, Rick. Like I said, I'm thinking that one of the third models has case coloring on the subject three parts, but I might have it mixed up with a 2nd Model, but I'll go to the safe and pull them out tomorrow and check.

I have not referred to Schwing's book for quite sometime, now, but if one of the 2nd models made after 1901 has all three of these parts case colored, would you like that info, too, as well as pics?

I see where I made contradictory statements, sorry for that, Rick.

James

Update: Rick, I don't know why I did not refer to my inventory notes. The 3rd Model with the three SO sights has a CC Hammer and TD Screw with a Blue buttplate. A couple of my post 1901 2nd Models have the CC Hammer TD screw, and Buttplate.

James

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Old 11-03-2016, 10:50 PM
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James, Sure I would like to see the 2nd models. Thanks.

Rick
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Old 11-04-2016, 06:13 AM
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What color blue or case colored should the action bar cover retaining screw be on a factory 2nd model factory case colored gun in the 37,000 serial range?

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Old 11-04-2016, 01:02 PM
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UPDATE: At the expense of distorting the original pictures somewhat, I have edited them in an attempt to better show their mostly strong CC.

Rick:

3rd Model SN Range is 330,000 - Hammer and TD Screw are CC



2nd Model SN Range is 190,000 - All three parts are CC



3rd Model SN Range is 170,000 - All three parts are CC






CJS57: What is the screw on your CC? I don't own any that early, but I'd think they were case hardened as well. Bert, Austin Guns, or another member here can probably help you with that.

James

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Old 11-04-2016, 07:53 PM
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I have a pre-proof marked 1908 Model 1890. I just checked and the hammer and takedown screw are CC.
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Old 11-05-2016, 07:04 AM
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The action bar cover plate screw is apparently case colored as shown in this photo. It has a bad twisted slot as well. I have a brand new screw for it, will just get it case colored. The gun has what appears as rust freckles on the receiver. To my delight I found them to be hardened old grease and they came off with solvent! No damage to the case colors!



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Old 11-05-2016, 09:26 AM
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CJS57: I would not change the screw out. Here's a link at ATE on GB about screw repair: http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.as...ew,head,damage

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