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Old 07-21-2009, 11:03 PM
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.223 or .204, Which to try?



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Hi All,

I''m thinking that I would like to have a centerfire rifle of a small caliber. I've been surfing the net and have narrowed it down to these two calibers, .223 or .204 Ruger.

I''m just looking for some input from the group to see what the pros & cons of each might be.

I will mostly be punching paper, but may reach out and touch the occasional varmit should the need present itself. Most likely a heavy-barrelled varmit- snuffer bolt action is what I'm thinking of.

Let the games begin!

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Old 07-21-2009, 11:16 PM
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223 because of all the options available in bullets, loads, barrel twist and factory ammo.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:19 PM
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I vote 223, I think the barrel life on the 223 is longer than that of a 204.
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223 because of all the options available in bullets, loads, barrel twist and factory ammo.
I second that...
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Same as above. I have both. While I love my .204 the .223 gives so many more options it is hands-down the best place to start.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:02 AM
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Well,

So far it looks like the .233 has all the votes.

Sophia, what is the recoil difference between the .223 and the .204?

Us Homer Simpson types would like to know, please :-)

I shot Ol' venerable M-16 many moons ago and sort of need a refresher ( When they still had full auto!)

Thanks again for all your assistance my fellow shooters.

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Old 07-22-2009, 01:07 AM
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Hi Chaser,

You've must have been casting your vote while I was searching my keyboard for the correct letters :-)

Its nice to hear from at least a few .204 users...

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Old 07-22-2009, 01:12 AM
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Sophia, what is the recoil difference between the .223 and the .204? Us Homer Simpson types would like to know, please :-)
Assuming equal rifle weight, the .223 has about 30% more recoil. I can keep the scope on target during recoil on the .204; not so with the .223.

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Well, So far it looks like the .233 has all the votes.
There is still more to it. You should pick a bullet weight to match the shooting you plan to do, figure out which twist rate suits that bullet, find out who makes rifles with that twist rate, choose between the selected rifles based on the other features and quality they offer. You've only just started
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Old 07-22-2009, 12:59 AM
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I have never owned a 223..for the reason that my buddies do..and they have never been able to shoot with me accuracy wise. I love both of my 204's and my 22-250 get's far less use now-days. Went out RockChuckin' 2 days this spring/early summer and killed over 125...the first 50 rounds I was 43 for 50 and they averaged 250 yds. with the longest at 420 yds.
I do not argue that the 223 is less money to shoot..you get more barrel life too...if ya care about those 2 factors buy a 223.


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Well, for accuracy, the 204 will probably win out. Cost and barrel life go to the 223.

Me, I'm cheap. I like the 223, and I have a Tikka T3 Varmint that shoots better than I can, anyway.

Maybe someday I'll shoot well enough that the 204 would be something I would want.
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Too many positives for the .223.
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I've got one of each. Both are Savage Model 14's. The .204 shoots tighter groups and is my go to varmint rifle. The .223 is a great all around practice rifle. For mainly paper with an occasional varmint .223 sounds like the logical choice. You can always get a .204 later. LOL.
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I will mostly be punching paper, but may reach out and touch the occasional varmit should the need present itself.
That stated use describes a .223 over any other caliber choice in the .20-.22 caliber rifle category. I think you made the correct choice in your Howa rifle.
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That stated use describes a .223 over any other caliber choice in the .20-.22 caliber rifle category. I think you made the correct choice in your Howa rifle.
I am sorry, I was unaware of this thread until today. There are important factors that I would have mentioned earlier. So here it is, better late than never.
Much depends on your standard of accuracy and the range at which you are shooting. Then there is the question of whether or not you plan to hand load your own ammunition. If you don't, then the 223 Remington is certainly the least expensive centerfire cartridge in existence.

If you do handload then everything changes. If you mostly want to punch paper, and/or shoot varmints at ranges to far for rimfire there are cartridges in the .224 bullet that are more accurate than a .223 Remington. The .222 Remington that was the grandfather of the .223 Remington comes to mind. Then there are the many cartridges that began life as wildcats and later became standards.

As a rule, these cartridges are more accurate than the .223 Remington at any range. I am able to handload .220 Swift for less than the cost of commercial .223 Remington. With load development, I have created .220 Swift cartridges that give accuracy in my Ruger No. 1 at 200 yards and out that have to be seen to be believed.

Still, once I finish paying for my .222 Remington and my 218 Bee, I guess I should look for a .223 Remington rifles with a 1/8 twist barrel so that I can start shooting those 80 gr. Sierra Match Kings at 500 yards and longer.

I almost forgot to mention the 204 Ruger. Here is some reading material from Accurate Shooter on the current family of .20s, including the 204. It was a guy at my home range with a custom 20 PPC who showed me the potential of that cartridge. He was fire forming his brass into 1/4" 5-shot groups at 200 yards. That blew away my notion that tiny bullets cannot be accurate beyond 100 yards.

http://www.6mmbr.com/20Caliber.html

So many rifles, so little time!

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If you're just looking for a project, .223 is the way to give it a shot. .204s are expensive to shoot, and they don't start to really shine until 250yds or so, but you're paying well over 2x per shot for them.
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