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Old 12-15-2019, 02:19 PM
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Would love to see a .20 WSM or .20 Hornet, modeled after the .17 of each.

I wonder if another pair of manufacturers (rifle&ammo) would consider doing one of these.

Basically, it would offer something a bit more/better, yet keep it faster/smaller than the .22 options.

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Old 12-15-2019, 05:16 PM
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You gain so so so much more from the 17 Hornet and 22 Hornet why bother? Plus the 17WSM doesn’t seem to be killing the 17HMR sounds like another unsupported cartridge. I’d love to see them put some effort into the 17M2.
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:55 PM
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Why would it be better?
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:26 PM
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I will vote for a 22 WSM. That is better for heavy bullets options and nice for easy of 22 barrel maintenance. Keep all your 17's.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:34 PM
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I have two .22 Hornets and shoot them quite a bit, have not had any complaints from the prairie dogs. Why would I need something else? I also have a .222 Remington that starts off where the Hornets quit.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:34 PM
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Would love to see a .20 WSM or .20 Hornet, modeled after the .17 of each.

I wonder if another pair of manufacturers (rifle&ammo) would consider doing one of these.

Basically, it would offer something a bit more/better, yet keep it faster/smaller than the .22 options.

Thoughts?
Why not split the difference and have 18.5 WSM and .18.5 Hornet?
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:56 PM
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I have two .22 Hornets and shoot them quite a bit, have not had any complaints from the prairie dogs. Why would I need something else? I also have a .222 Remington that starts off where the Hornets quit.
That is a good point. At the risk of mis quoting. I agree if a person has a Hornet they dont much need a corresponding caliber rimfire magnum. BUT, many people dont have a Hornet and they dont want a Hornet. They are not you and for YOU your logic is good. For others a bigger WSM might be just the ticket. Talk is talk, dont worry. A larger WSM is about as likely as a 'significant' resurgence in Hornet or 222 popularity. All of which are a bit too bad.
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19 Calhoon. Already done .
http://jamescalhoon.com/19cal_article1.php


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I had initially hoped the 17 wsm would have been a 20 wsm. Velocity does sell but those tiny fast little bullets really are pushed around by the wind. A 20 cal version in my mind would have put a bit more edge over the 17hmr, choosing to do yet another 17 has the immediate effect of having folks compare the two. Especially the prices of the two and the rifles available. Even though it's like comparing apples to cantaloupe.

Would guess the likely hood of a 20wsm being released is rather low. However if it is, would likely surpass the 17 wsm in use for most hunters.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:21 PM
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Would guess the likely hood of a 20wsm being released is rather low. However if it is, would likely surpass the 17 wsm in use for most hunters.
Twenty years ago, I would though this was obvious in the 17 to 22 comparison. But; enough newbies got 17's and since it really dont matter, the 17's are popular. I say dont matter, all the differences are on the margins.
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Old 12-16-2019, 05:16 PM
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Having played with the big wsm cartridges from 270 to 300, each step in caliber diameter for equal bullet weight makes a significant increase in velocity. If They had gone to 20 cal, my guess is velocities would have been almost the same for a 5 grain increase in bullet weight. This would help the overall cartridge shine a bit more in the niche areas where it really shines.

My two uses for it are;

It's about max report for semi populated varmint hunting. I.e. on smaller farms in the areas I hunt I can sit in a field shooting squirrels and the report in the house is drowned out. The 22 hornet is just a bit louder and is still perceptible as is the 223. Downside of the 17wsm is wind drift on the rolling alfalfa. It gets it done better than the hmr but it's not as significant as I had hoped. Definitely an edge but a hard one to justify at double the cost per shot with much less variation in firearms. I do believe a 20 cal with a smidge bigger bullets would extend the wind drift advantage to a bit bigger margin.

The other area is in the rim fire only area. Some states have rim fire restrictions for certain places or species. In my case a relative lives next to a rim fire only area with a serious coyote problem. The wsm clearly has more poop than both the mag and the, but a 20 would be a bit better even still.

While the 17 wsm and hmr are as wildly different as a 308 and a 300wsm. The general population still very much correlates and compares them more akin for a Chevy 1500 and a ram 1500. We even see this in the forums about every three weeks with a new thread.

20 cal would help differentiate this in my mind.
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Old 12-16-2019, 06:53 PM
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The 17's are not affected by wind as much as you may think at least out to 100 yards. As the bullet slows it will be affected more. Google wind effect on 17 hmr. There have been several studies.
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True on under 100 yards. But in those ranges it's all awash wmr hmr and wsm. Stretch that to 200 yards the wmr lost wind and trajectory oomph, the hmr lost a lot to the wind and trajectory started to Peter in the 175 ranger. The wsm gets it done trajectory wise to the low 200s (common max distance in a oddly high number of fields where we hunt) but the wind drift begins the be greater than minute of squirrel.
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Remington introduced a .20 rimfire in 1969, almost as fast as the 17 HMR with close to twice the weight bullet.

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Remington introduced a .20 rimfire in 1969, almost as fast as the 17 HMR with close to twice the weight bullet.


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