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Old 01-02-2010, 08:56 PM
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[Tired of hearing the plastic and alloy hot air? ]

I'm more tired of hearing unreasonable expectations voiced.

If there's something I don't care for, I either spend the money for something else that has features I like, or do an upgrade on the item.

I have Henry H001 & H001T's, 9422's, Marlin 39a's and Browning BL22's - and enjoy each of them in a different way, for what they are, and provide me.

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Old 01-02-2010, 09:41 PM
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The Winchester Model 77 has a plastic trigger guard on the tube feed,plastic trigger guard/mag well on the magazine fed version.The Remington 572 uses an alloy receiver and trigger housing,the lightweight series had a steel lined aluminum barrel to boot.Many Mossberg models have plastic trigger guards.All these were on the market over fifty years ago.My 572 lightweight does everything as well as my walnut and steel 121 does at 2/3rds the weight.I first became aware that metals other than steel could be used to make a quality rifle in 1961.A 572 Buckskin Tan convinced me of that.A magnet will stick to the outer magazine tube,the rear sight,the internal moving parts,mag tube hanger,safety button,trigger,and the screws springs and pins. But for my experience with these rifles I might have become a walnut and steel purest myself.I do appreciate that style of gunmaking,not a Nazi about it though.
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:13 PM
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I have a few Sigs(P220ST, P226 Nitron) that have plastic hammer strut spring bases, and hammer stop spring housings, I was none too happy to find this out AFTER spending $850.00 each for thes pistols, but they work great, and don't come any other way. I also have an S&W M&P that ROCKS!!!!!!!
Oh by the way, my '06 Toyota Tundra has a plastic intake manifold, and so do most other cars and trucks being made these days.
As in The Graduate, Plastics are the future, get used to it.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:26 PM
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I remember back in the late 70's the Carter Thermoquad carb was plastic-the material wass produced in part pf the plant I worked in,Henry ford developed body parts in the 30's made from plant based polymers,stuffs been around a while,the better grades ain't cheap either.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:40 PM
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Opened my eyes, and I ain't new to firearms (just this site, and the CZ 452).
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:55 AM
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All my SA XD's, 870, M-9, M&P-15 to mention a few. And I gotta say, I like driving around in my plastic car. I know, not a firearm, but I do carry one around in it.
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Old 01-03-2010, 05:12 AM
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Lots of fine guns have been posted here that have plastic or alloy parts. So I will toss in my $0.02.

Back in the early '80s, when my "title" was PFC (later SPC 4 and SGT) and my "job description was 11B, we called the M-16A1 a "mattel toy". Now, if the same "uncle" who was willing to risk a multi million dollar chopper to pull my wounded ***** out of a hot LZ figured plastic and alloy was good enough, then I suspect it was and still is.

Oh, and BTW, the squirrel my Nephew shot Friday with the Hoo1 I bought him for Christmas didn't ask if the bullet that hit his head had been fired out of a gun with plastic or alloy parts. He just flopped. DRT!
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Old 01-03-2010, 06:53 AM
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Maybe the ones that are most disappointed are owners of other lever guns. I have both a 39a and 1894m and they are made from solid hunks of steel and have no plastic, but they were not inexpensive guns, especially for what I paid for the 1894m last year. I am not as familiar with the Browning or Winchester 9422 but I suspect they have little or no plastic. My old Mossberg 472 30-30 is also a very well made, non plastic part gun. So along comes Henry with the Erma/Ithaca copy and it is alloy and uses plastic. There have also been increasing reports of alloy receivers cracking under stress from using WMR or 17HMR and I am told the Winchester 255 (that I just sold) had receiver fracturing problems and it is aluminum. I personally think the Henrys have a wonderful smooth action and frequently gorgeous wood but the painted cover does bother me and I don't care for the heel drop on the brass ones but I probably have to buy one anyway as they look so good! Some people just like to complain that things aren't the way they were anymore. They better get used to it. Everything is changing! And then, some people just like to complain.
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:34 AM
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I don't think anyone listed my Mossberg 500 12 ga shotgun with the adjustable (gasp) plastic (double gasp) stock.

And worse still, the boolit shells for it are made of plastic too! Oh, the horror of it all!
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:07 AM
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Henry with the Erma/Ithaca copy and it is alloy and uses plastic.
I thought I would put a little notation here for folks who currently don't own a Henry and are maybe looking at that purchase. All this hub bub about the Henry rifle being made from plastic parts is very exaggerated. The H001 lever action (base model) has the following parts produced from a plastic material.

1) Front barrel band/front sight (all one part)
2) Rear barrel band
3) butt plate
4) Mag tube follower

#3 & 4 are plastic on just about every other tube feed .22 on the market for the last 50 years.

So all we are talking about here are the barrel bands, one that has the front sight ramp molded to it, that's it! These are not part of the action or moving components of the rifle. Most people don't even notice that they are plastic because of the deep black color they are molded in.
If your stomach just cannot handle a piece of plastic, a direct replacement is available from Henry made from cast alloy.
I have never heard of one single case where one of these plastic bands has failed to do what it was designed to do.

That's the truth and the posters who type things like "they are full of plastic parts " are just full of hot air.

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Old 01-03-2010, 10:11 AM
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There have also been increasing reports of alloy receivers cracking under stress from using WMR or 17HMR
And just as a clarification, this has not been an issue with any of the Henry rifles.

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Old 01-03-2010, 12:04 PM
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I believe the Erma/Ithaca were designed by the gentleman who started the Henry factory. His son is doing a fine job of running the business today.
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Old 01-03-2010, 03:52 PM
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That's the truth and the posters who type things like "they are full of plastic parts " are just full of hot air.
I agree.

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Old 01-04-2010, 11:20 AM
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It's also worth clarifying that the H001 is designed and built to a certain price point. Plastic and zinc alloy allows the gun to be built to that price point.

Additionally, the receiver on the Henry is steel. The receiver cover is a non-steel alloy.

Winchester couldn't stay in the market, Marlin sells a handful of their all-steel 39a's at pretty fabulous prices for what it is.

Now, I'll tell you what I think galls the real detractors of Henry: the name, especially from Winchester owners. When I see snide comments about Henrys, it starts out with plastic and "pot metal receivers", then it ultimately turns to the fact that Henry today isn't Henry of 150 years ago. Which, of course, is true. And, to me, irrelevant.

As an owner of five Winchesters and one Henry, I'm amused by the controversy. I shoot my Henry more than all my Winchesters combined.
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Old 01-04-2010, 02:37 PM
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I have two Marlin 336 lever rifles and one Winchester 9422m . I also have three Henrys. Two H001s and a Goldenboy H004, and I really do like my Henrys.
I think the "big problem" is that a LOT of people want a $900. rifle for $250. I have both, and the Henrys are the best buy for my money!
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