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Old 02-25-2020, 04:04 PM
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Question: Are you equally pleased shooting a >1” group at 100+ yards with a target .22lr rifle as you are pleased shooting a >1” group at 3 yards with a stubby .22lr double action only?

Or to put it another way: is accuracy absolute or relative? Subjective or objective?

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Old 02-25-2020, 04:35 PM
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For me, accuracy is relative. I try to wring out the best I can within the limits of the specific firearm and its preferred ammo. But I also keep in mind that I am far from a great shot, so it keeps me motivated to keep trying to improve.
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Old 02-25-2020, 04:54 PM
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Accuracy is not subjective - As It can be precisely measured.

The expectation of accuracy, I believe is what your referring to.
Which can be specific to a firearm or certain group of firearms.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:02 PM
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At my age I'm glad I can hit anything with a rifle, handgun or shotgun.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:05 PM
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All I have to ask myself is: Did I hit what I was aiming at?
If I didn't, I failed. If I did, Rule #1 was successfully accomplished.
No matter distance, caliber, conditions, firearm or target size.
Rule #1...Hit what you aim at.
If you don't, y'er wasting ammo.
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Accuracy is not subjective - As It can be precisely measured.

The expectation of accuracy, I believe is what your referring to.
Which can be specific to a firearm or certain group of firearms.
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Pretty sure Jala and I don't like the pistol comparison but I say yeah, accuracy is relative. My comparison might be; shooting .010" @ 25 yds and .900" @ 100 yds...both with a rifle.
Contrary to what many think and say; any 22lr rifle can shoot any old bulk ammo into a single round hole @ 25 yds.. Hogwash!

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Old 02-25-2020, 07:09 PM
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No it takes a pretty good shooting rifle to shoot good ammo into one hole at 25 yards,i am not talking about a BR rifle.
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The word ‘improvement’ is central IMHO.
Fixed sights or 15x scope, it’s my skills that make shooting fun.
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:31 PM
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Question: Are you equally pleased shooting a >1 group at 100+ yards with a target .22lr rifle as you are pleased shooting a >1 group at 3 yards with a stubby .22lr double action only?

Or to put it another way: is accuracy absolute or relative? Subjective or objective?

Thoughts? 🤔
Yes,
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:43 AM
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At my age I'm glad I can hit anything with a rifle, handgun or shotgun.
At my age I'm going to have to build a bigger barn. Of course I could always shoot from inside. Should be able to hit it from there. Well I guess it is relative.

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Old 02-26-2020, 03:23 PM
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I agree with Al the Infidel that there are .22 rifles that will shoot one hole groups with cheap bulk ammo. I myself have a Winchester 67A that will shoot a one hole group at 25 yards with every shot. It even does it at fifty yards.
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If I wanted an accurate handgun, which I always do, I would not choose a snubby.
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Accuracy is not subjective - As It can be precisely measured.

The expectation of accuracy, I believe is what your referring to.
Which can be specific to a firearm or certain group of firearms.
Ray nailed it.
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Old 02-28-2020, 04:37 AM
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Not positive whot you are asking, but agree w/jaja about the need to hit whot you are aiming at in rough/field/game and score shooting. When score shooting you are trying for dead center or an 'X' but you have bulls to shoot at and you want to again try to keep the shots inside that bull.

Group shooting you can preserve your aim point by having the group print somewhere off to the periphery.

And of course there are multiple positions one may shoot from, inclusive of bench & standing.

Most groups shot @ 100 yds. are going to be from a bench and around here, most are going to be >1.0" even w/a good rifle, scope & ammunition. Winds & mirage preclude shooting under that w/much frequency. Can it be done? Sure, just not that frequently. When it happens I am always happy.

Shooting a >1.0", but <2.0" group with a snubby @ 3 yds. standing? Yes, I'd be happy about that too.

And I've found Al's remark about it being a bit more difficult to shoot that one hole group at 25 yds. than you may think, to be quite valid even tho much small game and many varmints have been dispatched w/.22's that have never been shot for groups or at a paper target. And for those individuals, ignorance really is bliss.

More a matter of whot you are trying to do and whether or not it meets your expectations. I've known of individuals where hitting a paper plate @ 100 yds. 3 out of 5 shots met their expectations! I don't see many people shooting snubbies at our range & have no idea whot their expectation is or whot their targets looked like.
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