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Old 03-18-2021, 04:32 PM
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Definitely not cheap, I want to be able to shoot irons, and use a scope that isn't up on a carry handle.
The rifle below was my dedicated iron sight rifle built with a CMMG barrel and BCG. It's dedicated in the sense that the front and rear sight don't fold down; you'd need a hex wrench to remove them. I made a couple with a folding YHM folding front sight, but I never feel that a folding sight is going to be as robust as a fixed sight.

The nice thing about the flat top upper is that I can be in position, insert a loaded magazine, leave my support hand in place, and reach up with my right hand to operate the bolt release by squeezing the upper receiver.


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That looks interesting. I'm getting close to retirement and am a member of a club that does CMP on it's 200-600 yard range. I shot CMP 20+ years ago with my Garand. I built a service rifle (white oak upper on a rock river lower) but my work schedule got in the way. I went over to the RRA site and came up with this.

22LR NM A4 Upper Half
Item#: 22L0798 $685.00

RRA Match Carry Handle Assembly
Item#: AR0052CNMASYX
Options: NM 1/2x1/2, .040 Hooded Aperture
$165.00

RRA NM Detachable Front Sight
Item#: AR0160NM
$43.00

.22LR 10 Round Magazine
Item#: 22L0116
$23.00
$23.00

Subtotal:
$916.00

Definitely not cheap, I want to be able to shoot irons, and use a scope that isn't up on a carry handle.

Some one needs to talk me down, show me a better deal, or tell me get after it.
Only my opinion, but that sounds like crazy money to me anyway..

I only have around 700.00 in my A2 shown above..That includes the Binary Trigger setup. Mine is all USGI FN parts except the barrel, BCG and the A2 Clone lower..Take the Franklin Binary out of the equation, and I have around 450.00 in building it..Took a while to do it that low and had to scrounge parts..Not going to do it by just wipping out the credit card and buying it all at once though.

Did not take me that long to scrounge all the used USGI FN A2 parts though..Maybe a few weeks watching the EE on the AR15 forum and a couple others for parts.

Do not know if PSA has the Clone M16A2 and A4 lowers in stock for 49.00 right now..But they did when I bought my lower.

Point is stuff can be done reasonable and the end result very satisfying, with some patience and parts searching..

My used USGI FN A2 upper receiver shown on my A2 above. Does have a pinned NM sight..Came that way for the 80.00 I paid for it.
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Old 03-18-2021, 07:27 PM
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Szumi, Are you sure you don't want to be talked into it? There's a lot of people around here that are great at spending the money of others. But, on a serious note, the RRA NM A4 LAR-22 is a very nice and accurate firearm. In the case of my "cherry picked" groups, you have to keep in mind I'm still pretty "green" at accuracy rifle shooting (I'd focused mostly on pistols, or plinking, in prior decades). I only got my bench finished around last September or October, and haven't spent much time with any one rifle so far, wanting instead to see which of several different models were the most accurate (in my hands). I was surprised how well the RRA AR-22 did compared to my bolt actions. If this RRA AR-22 mysteriously vanished, I'd get another just like it in a heartbeat.
I too bought the carry handle and sights, so I can try for accuracy with a good scope, or plink with the little Bug Buster just for fun. Both scopes are attached using UTG 1-piece quick-release mounts, a UTG carry handle rail that only requires one knurled nut, so changing configurations is quick and easy. My irons are just the standard models, as my eyesight isn't good enough anymore to justify the better ones.


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Yes, the RRA LAR-22 National Match rifle cost more than many around here built from pieces. But, can they shoot little 50-yard groups like mine can, keeping in mind how green at bench shooting I am, along with my use of a $98 Stinger rest which the experts don't use?

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Only my opinion, but that sounds like crazy money to me anyway..

I only have around 700.00 in my A2 shown above..That includes the Binary Trigger setup. Mine is all USGI FN parts except the barrel, BCG and the A2 Clone lower..Take the Franklin Binary out of the equation, and I have around 450.00 in building it..Took a while to do it that low and had to scrounge parts..Not going to do it by just wipping out the credit card and buying it all at once though.

Did not take me that long to scrounge all the used USGI FN A2 parts though..Maybe a few weeks watching the EE on the AR15 forum and a couple others for parts.

Do not know if PSA has the Clone M16A2 and A4 lowers in stock for 49.00 right now..But they did when I bought my lower.

Point is stuff can be done reasonable and the end result very satisfying, with some patience and parts searching..

My used USGI FN A2 upper receiver shown on my A2 above. Does have a pinned NM sight..Came that way for the 80.00 I paid for it.

Are you using the CMMG bolt, collar, and barrel?
I may need to investigate the Franklin binary trigger as I have an SBR’d lower that is used with a dedicated .22lr upper, .223, and 300BO uppers.
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Old 03-18-2021, 09:03 PM
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Yes, the RRA LAR-22 National Match rifle cost more than many around here built from pieces. But, can they shoot little 50-yard groups like mine can, keeping in mind how green at bench shooting I am, along with my use of a $98 Stinger rest which the experts don't use?

My 4 lb 7 oz RTB upper on a Polymer80 lower hits what I point it at. Consistently in small groups. And only cost me about $500.00.

I've had a RRA DCM NM upper, they make nice stuff. I just don't see the point on spending a ton on a rimfire AR, when quality parts can be has for mu h less, and you get a better aftermarket.
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I didn't intend to come across like a jerk, or anything like that, if I did? In my case, I felt the higher price would give me better accuracy. I have 10/22's (& some other 22's) for plinking and such, that are reasonably accurate, but when buying the NM RRA rifle, I wanted an AR-22 that was capable of more than "just average accuracy", which I believe I got with mine. I have found it somewhat odd that I haven't seen any photos of groups in this section. Maybe small groups aren't the intent?
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Old 03-18-2021, 09:20 PM
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My A2 will shoot better than my ability..I have no doubt it would equal those groups from the RR with a good optic,bench rested, ammo it likes best, and a proficient shooter..Could even best them possibly in the right hands....

Fact is most decent Firearms are capable of groups better than most shooters can obtain anyway..I have seen shooters that do 3/4 inch and under with a CMMG Barrel and Bolt group, bench rested with open sights at 50 yards..Not that hard to do..I myself am not a paper shooter..I like more reactive targets..


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Yes Stainless CMMG dedicated Bolt group and barrel..The Fostech Binary is trouble in the AR22 platform..The Franklin runs flawless though..DO NOT buy the Fostech if you want to run a dedicated .22 upper.

I tried my Binary Lower with my 5.56 uppers..I knew I would hate it, but had to try it once..I bought mine for use with a .22 upper only., only intended purpose I bought it for...To me using a Binary in a centerfire is stupid..But man is it a blast with a .22 upper and 50 round BDM Drums..

Anyone who shoots it giggles like a little School Girl.
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Old 03-18-2021, 09:42 PM
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My A2 will shoot better than my ability..I have no doubt it would equal those groups from the RR with a good optic,bench rested, ammo it likes best, and a proficient shooter..Could even best them possibly in the right hands....

Fact is most decent Firearms are capable of groups better than most shooters can obtain anyway..I have seen shooters that do 3/4 inch and under with a CMMG Barrel and Bolt group, bench rested with open sights at 50 yards..Not that hard to do..I myself am not a paper shooter..I like more reactive targets..


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Yes Stainless CMMG dedicated Bolt group and barrel..The Fostech Binary is trouble in the AR22 platform..The Franklin runs flawless though..DO NOT buy the Fostech if you want to run a dedicated .22 upper.

I tried my Binary Lower with my 5.56 uppers..I knew I would hate it, but had to try it once..I bought mine for use with a .22 upper only., only intended purpose I bought it for...To me using a Binary in a centerfire is stupid..But man is it a blast with a .22 upper and 50 round BDM Drums..

Anyone who shoots it giggles like a little School Girl.

I have one of those drums already...runs like a champ....being the franklin would go on a SBR lower used with .300BO, 5.56, .22LR, and at times 9mm with the magpul mag conversions.

Guess I will start in looking around for one.
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I've posted some 100 yard groups from a few years ago.
I was never able to get groups under an inch, and my best, the one I remember taking a picture of was an inch and a quarter edge to edge.

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Maybe small groups aren't the intent?
There's a continuum in AR land. Several years ago at the other place, the emphasis on the 22lr subforum was on tips to get your rifle "running", the foremost tip being to use HV ammunition only. Quite a few of the writers there seemed to have FA lowers and used 22lr as a less expensive way to exercise those FA lowers, and that made sense even when 5.56 was 30 cents per round. They are at one end of the continuum, while you are viewing it from the other.

Back then it was hard to find any information on accuracy. In my youtube research, I found mostly videos of fully automatic fire and "speed steel" style shooting. 22Plinkster incorporates accuracy testing in his material, but I don't recall him having any tests of the items mentioned in this thread except for the Tippman.

I used to horse around with 10/22s quite a bit, but I've since concluded that ARs in 22lr offer a better result for accuracy at a lower price, and without entering the mystical world of duct tape and shims. If you've ever lost control of a budget on a 10/22, you know that $900 is not the limit of the damage.

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That looks interesting. I'm getting close to retirement and am a member of a club that does CMP on it's 200-600 yard range. I shot CMP 20+ years ago with my Garand. I built a service rifle (white oak upper on a rock river lower) but my work schedule got in the way. I went over to the RRA site and came up with this.

22LR NM A4 Upper Half
Item#: 22L0798 $685.00

RRA Match Carry Handle Assembly
Item#: AR0052CNMASYX
Options: NM 1/2x1/2, .040 Hooded Aperture
$165.00

RRA NM Detachable Front Sight
Item#: AR0160NM
$43.00

.22LR 10 Round Magazine
Item#: 22L0116
$23.00
$23.00

Subtotal:
$916.00

Definitely not cheap, I want to be able to shoot irons, and use a scope that isn't up on a carry handle.

Some one needs to talk me down, show me a better deal, or tell me get after it.
DO IT!

I don't understand this idea of questioning what someone is willing to spend on a "rimfire". Especially in this time when guys are dropping $3,500 + on Vudoos and RimXs and even more on some bench rest rifles. I went the cheap route on my first AR22....and the 2nd. Now I've got like 7 of them so how much money did I save by going cheap?
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Old 03-19-2021, 09:08 AM
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I am sure no one cares what he spends his money on..He asked the question of us, I gave him my answer.Nevert got down on him at all about it...No right or wrong response to his question..His decision in the end... ..If you want to have fun shooting tight groups on Paper..The AR22 would not be my first choice by far..To me AR22s are fun plinkers..Nothing more.

I do not care if he wants to spend 5000.00 on an AR22.Heck I will even sell him one for 5000.00 if ithe price would make someone feel it is 4500.00 better than the next guys 450.00 AR22.I just know to me, that would be a bad investment to do so..Others may disagree..

I also like making my ARs like I want em..Not how someone else thinks they should be configured..Best to build it yourself as it suits your needs . Not how someone else perceives your needs.

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DO IT!

I don't understand this idea of questioning what someone is willing to spend on a "rimfire". Especially in this time when guys are dropping $3,500 + on Vudoos and RimXs and even more on some bench rest rifles. I went the cheap route on my first AR22....and the 2nd. Now I've got like 7 of them so how much money did I save by going cheap?
I think the words you were looking for are:

"My name is Erik72, and I am an AR22 addict."

Hi, Erik! /chorus.
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Old 03-19-2021, 10:05 AM
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Zukiphile, with the bullet drop of the average 22lr ammo (SV = 6.5" +/-), a 1.25" group at 100 yards seems good, but I'm no paper punching expert. I'd like to do some 100 yard target shooting with my better rifles (22lr) in the future, but I need to get consistency at 50 yards first.
My 10/22's are all budget friendly, but I shouldn't have ended up with three, two need to go at some point, besides, I need the space in the (now 2) gun safes.
I hear you on getting AR-22's "running" as a factor. These days, being able to buy one already engineered and built to run reliably, is a nice thing!
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Some of what I'm reading here almost seems comical, but it's not my intention to insult anyone. The OP stated no given price range, only that he wanted "the best dedicated 22Lr AR-15 I can buy". He later stated "want to upgrade to a higher quality gun". From what I've seen with mine, the RRA NM A4 LAR-22 fits that description perfectly, yet some seem way overly focused on it's cost. Usually, when people want the best, cost is not the most important factor, but rightfully comes into play at some point.
For the record, I do get it, that some, many, are very proud of their builds, ability to build at low costs, proud they can spray bullets at high speeds, etc, etc. Yet, these things are not what the OP asked about, is it?

(another) Edit: The OP also stated "able to use after market AR parts". Mine, the RRA NM model takes a standard A2 pistol grip but I upgraded to the Hogue grip, it can use standard split A2 hand-guards (but comes with a "special" sleeved model), standard A2 butt-stock, and it comes with a standard A2 flash hider on 1/2" x 28 threads. In other words, it does take all kinds of aftermarket AR goodies, including triggers if wanted.
FWIW, mine originally cost $830 (minus "extras"), which doesn't seem excessively high compared to the $700 mentioned earlier, and yes the base price has gone up to $875, sadly, but most other things have also gone up since the pandemic hit...

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Zukiphile, with the bullet drop of the average 22lr ammo (SV = 6.5" +/-), a 1.25" group at 100 yards seems good, but I'm no paper punching expert.
Neither am I. I am sure that was a windless day with the Tsyklon 4X32 scope with the PSOP reticle.

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..If you want to have fun shooting tight groups on Paper..The AR22 would not be my first choice by far...
I think it's a good choice relative to the 10/22.

The AR upper receiver already has an integral picatinny rail, a really good two stage trigger can be had for less than $100, and a really good barrel can be had for less than $150. Free floating the barrel is as easy as sticking on a free float tube, and the bolt release doesn't take above average spatial awareness to use. If you are position shooting, ARs are ergonomically superior.

In the 10/22 world, integral picatinny rails and two stage triggers are pricey. You can get a 10/22 barrel to free float, but the receiver, tenon, v-block method of retaining the barrel is designed for easy manufacture, not secure location of the barrel. You can address that by having the barrel threaded into a tapped receiver, but that's a custom revision of the original design.

Future anthropologists will find millions of functioning 10/22 rotary magazines. They are excellent and I don't like loading them.

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