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Old 07-11-2019, 11:25 AM
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Congratulations snagglepuss, you've managed to willfully, totally miss the point
of this thread.
That's right, because once thread is started it is law that it not deviate...you know, like any normal conversation has a tendency to do.
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:07 AM
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In my CZ 455 American Stainless and also in my 457 American, the Hornady 30gr VMAX groups better than all of the other ammo I've tried which includes:

- CCI MaxiMag 40gr JHP
- CCI 40gr GamePoint JSP
- CCI 30gr HP+V JHP
- Hornady 45gr FTX
- Norma 40gr JHP
- Remington 33gr Accu-Tip

The last one surprised me as they seemed to be quite sought after. I bought a brick of it and it was not nearly as good as the 30 VMAX.
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Old 07-12-2019, 06:56 AM
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- CCI MaxiMag 40gr JHP
- CCI 40gr GamePoint JSP
- CCI 30gr HP+V JHP
- Hornady 45gr FTX
- Norma 40gr JHP
- Remington 33gr Accu-Tip



Do ya' know what all those 22wmr cartridges have in common?

They are all made by CCI.
Cartridge quality varies according to who is running the machines at the CCI plant.
Has nothing to do with the label on the box.
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:00 AM
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- CCI MaxiMag 40gr JHP
- CCI 40gr GamePoint JSP
- CCI 30gr HP+V JHP
- Hornady 45gr FTX
- Norma 40gr JHP
- Remington 33gr Accu-Tip



Do ya' know what all those 22wmr cartridges have in common?

They are all made by CCI.
Cartridge quality varies according to who is running the machines at the CCI plant.
Has nothing to do with the label on the box.
Yes sir. I am aware of that. My tests were geared towards which weight / bullet type would perform best in my specific rifles. The only real duplication was probably between the MaxiMags and the Norma. As for my results, the MaxiMags and the Norma both have issues chambering in my rifles; those bullets have a little ridge and they do not feed properly in either of my rifles. I had frequent "shaving" of the bottom of the bullet when feeding. The Hornady 45gr FTX was atrocious and looked more like a shotgun pattern. The HP+V 30 gr were not great either. Top 3 in order best to worst,

Hornady 30gr VMAX
CCI 40gr GamePoint JSP
Remington 33gr Accu-Tip
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:18 AM
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those bullets have a little ridge

I ran into that problem too, HFG.
Might be a problem with how the bullet seating/case crimp takes place.
Had problems chambering as you did. Some fed in with room to spare,
others required a bit of extra effort to close the bolt.
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:59 PM
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In every .22wmr I own the vmax bulleted loads are the best shooters, that's 10 rifles.
Gerald, just curious what your top 2 favorites would be out of those 10 rifles in that caliber?
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CZ 512, the CZ isn't as accurate but runs very well and hold 1/2 to 5/8 MOA most of the time.

I have two CZ 452 Americans in the caliber that shoot very well, a CZ452 FS that's a shooter, a Ruger American Carbine that runs pretty close to the 512 and is a very good knock around rifle.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:22 PM
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Not bad day at the range today.
Hornady V-Max, Savage FVSS with a Hawke Sidewinder 4-16x at 100m (110yds)
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:46 AM
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those bullets have a little ridge

I ran into that problem too, HFG.
Might be a problem with how the bullet seating/case crimp takes place.
Had problems chambering as you did. Some fed in with room to spare,
others required a bit of extra effort to close the bolt.
I think it's in the casting of the bullet and jacket itself. See the attached picture. It's that little ridge just where the bullet base widens out. Sometimes I literally have to jam the bolt forward to get the round to chamber. That can't help accuracy.


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Old 07-15-2019, 07:12 PM
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That “band” is there on purpose and, is actually intended as a accuracy enhancer.
The idea is to produce a uniform full bore shank on the bullet that in most cases comes just short of the barrel throat. Some chambers with tighter dimensions may see the bullet entering the throat too deeply which can cause some minor problems, hard chambering, or bullets being pulled when trying to extract an unfixed round. This is a common state of affair in rifles chambered with a 22lr match chamber.
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Old 07-15-2019, 07:24 PM
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The 22wmr chambers are cut intentionally oversize.
Why? To fit the variations in cartridge dimensions caused by sloppy manufacturing.
There are no match grade 22wmr cartridges, so there can be no 22wmr match chambers.
Rifle makers have to allow for all the out of spec 22wmr ammo that we can purchase.


HFG, the bulge I found is located at the crimp/case mouth.
That's why I think it's due to poor seating and crimp.

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Old 07-15-2019, 08:18 PM
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That “band” is there on purpose and, is actually intended as a accuracy enhancer.
I can see that makes sense. But they don't chamber very well in either my CZ 455 or 457 and sometimes, forcing the round in, you can see a bit of the jacket get shaved. And since they are not the most accurate round for me anyway, it's easy to just not use that ammo.
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If anyone is interested, there's a guy on 24HR selling 30 boxes for $250+shipping
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