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Old 01-13-2021, 08:39 AM
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The 54 will be upgraded, ...they have to progress to stay relevant, how about an anschutz with a 700 footprint, there's so many places to go
It's doubtful that Anschutz will think that it's necessary to make a 700 footprint clone. It's not in their DNA to replicate this way.
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:06 AM
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Competitive shooters who choose Anschutz are using 54 action rifles. Of course Grunig and Elmiger, Walther and Bleiker are very present but several ISSF and I think Olympic shooters use Anschutz 54 match actions. I do not see them using a 1761 action.

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Old 01-13-2021, 01:49 PM
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Competitive shooters who choose Anschutz are using 54 action rifles. Of course Grunig and Elmiger, Walther and Bleiker are very present but several ISSF and I think Olympic shooters use Anschutz 54 match actions. I do not see them using a 1761 action.

Gilbert
That depends, on how it shoots. If a 1761 target rifle outshoots Walther, Bleiker, and G&E competitors, you can bet that elite shooters will use one. Form is very much secondary to function at that level. The critical question is whether Anschutz (or G&E, MEC etc) will offer a competitive 3P stock that's compatible.

At top ISSF level very few shooters have won with 19xx Anschutz in recent years.
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The 64 action 1903 3P rifle is being replaced by a 1761 model with a 3P stock. It will be a less expensive Anschutz target rifle than the 19xx 3P rifles.
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The 64 action 1903 3P rifle is being replaced by a 1761 model with a 3P stock. It will be a less expensive Anschutz target rifle than the 19xx 3P rifles.
Sounds interesting. Where did you steal that nugget of information from if I may ask? Anschutz announced the brand new 1761 at the IWA show in Germany in March 2019, the additional 1761 models we have now came out last March also - presumably the plan was for a release at IWA 2020 except for the show being cancelled due to COVID-19. Wonder will this coming March see further announcements, 1761 or otherwise? (IWA 2021 is already cancelled).
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Old 01-13-2021, 04:14 PM
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Sounds interesting. Where did you steal that nugget of information from if I may ask? Anschutz announced the brand new 1761 at the IWA show in Germany in March 2019, the additional 1761 models we have now came out last March also - presumably the plan was for a release at IWA 2020 except for the show being cancelled due to COVID-19. Wonder will this coming March see further announcements, 1761 or otherwise? (IWA 2021 is already cancelled).
Last year I asked Nordic Marksman about the 1761. At that time the sporting models had just appeared. I was told that the MPR and the 1903 were among those models that would have a 1761 sibling in the future. As you know, the 1761 MPR is now available in some markets.
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Have you found a fault with the 1761 when you say this? Or do you mean improvement by way of more product support? For the latter I would agree in that more aftermarket stock options and 10 shot magazines would be of benefit.

Likewise they had no complaints regarding the trigger, all agreed it was very nice - they tried the light, 2-stage unit. That's all I can say really to throw up a real world comparison as I have never actually owned both myself.
If you are satisfied with a rifle that you can't "find a fault" and "had no complaints regarding the trigger", then the 1761 can be what you're looking for. If you wanted more, then the 1700s can be an option.
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I've seen, held, fondled and owned a number of various 54 action Anschutz, custom and stock, single shots and repeaters, currently own multiple 54 action guns including 1710 and 1712 varieties and shot (never owned) several 64 action rifles. I have also seen, fondled and shot a 1761. What I would ask all that have stated that a 54 is a superior rifle is - have you anything to base your statements on or is all of the negative responses about the 1761 based on pure supposition?

Just asking.
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I've seen, held, fondled and owned a number of various 54 action Anschutz, custom and stock, single shots and repeaters, currently own multiple 54 action guns including 1710 and 1712 varieties and shot (never owned) several 64 action rifles. I have also seen, fondled and shot a 1761. What I would ask all that have stated that a 54 is a superior rifle is - have you anything to base your statements on or is all of the negative responses about the 1761 based on pure supposition?

Just asking.
What kind of evidence do you want?

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Old 01-14-2021, 07:28 AM
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The short answer...

I'm suppositioning that they don't make them like they used to.

Modularity has no value to me. It's not tapped for bases.

The magazine assembly is ugly and twice the size it needs to be; how do you carry it with one hand?

Ditto the new checkering; Anschutz calls it "updating the appearance"!

A common trend; not just Anschutz...Tom
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Old 01-14-2021, 08:29 AM
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I've seen, held, fondled and owned a number of various 54 action Anschutz, custom and stock, single shots and repeaters, currently own multiple 54 action guns including 1710 and 1712 varieties and shot (never owned) several 64 action rifles. I have also seen, fondled and shot a 1761. What I would ask all that have stated that a 54 is a superior rifle is - have you anything to base your statements on or is all of the negative responses about the 1761 based on pure supposition?

Just asking.
While many might avoid the term "fondle" because of it's general negative connotation in connection with groping or sexual assault, holding and shooting a particular rifle once or a few times may not constitute a sound basis for passing anything more than supposition or conjecture either.

Staying clear of speculation, the 1761, for all its strengths and weaknesses (many of which are in the eye of the beholder, in any case), is meant by Anschutz to be a replacement for its 64 action rifles. In other words, the 64 series is being replaced by the 1761 series, which does or will include replacements for 64 sporter models, the popular 64 MPR, and the 64 1903 3P model. There is now a 1761 MPR model and in the near future, if not already at this time, a 1761 3P model.

Replacing the 64 series, which has introduced many shooters, sport and target, to Anschutz, requires filling big shoes. If the 1761 series rifles shoot very well, that's a testament in general to Anschutz as a rifle maker. It's not proof that the rifle itself is anything but what Anschutz actually says it is -- which is quite literally a replacement for the 64.
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The 64 action 1903 3P rifle is being replaced by a 1761 model with a 3P stock. It will be a less expensive Anschutz target rifle than the 19xx 3P rifles.
PG,

Therein lies the rub. The Match 54 single shots had some obvious mechanical advantages over the Match 64s, but the 1761 seems to address these, at least to some degree. Without a suitable stock, a 1761 target rifle will only be second fiddle, even if it has the potential.

Personally I wonder if Anschutz will develop the 1761 into a replacement for the 19xx/54.30 to better compete with Walther.
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Old 01-14-2021, 09:02 AM
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Personally I wonder if Anschutz will develop the 1761 into a replacement for the 19xx/54.30 to better compete with Walther.
Indeed. It seems inevitable that Anschutz will make a replacement for the 19xx and 54.30 at some point in the not-too-distant future. I don't know if it would require a barrel swap capacity, but when the 2007/2013 came out, its barrel changing ability was often seen as an advantage by shooters wishing to replace a factory barrel with a custom. Invariably any replacement would need to have improvements or changes to make it at the least competitive with Walther, if not perhaps even better.
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Old 01-14-2021, 10:00 AM
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PG,

For most of the world quick DIY barrel changes aren't a selling point, or even desirable. A clamped barrel might gain extra sales in the US, but that won't help as much as consistent accuracy and gold medals at major matches.
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