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Old 11-22-2021, 11:21 AM
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I know these post are a few months old but interesting reading nonetheless. Some of you guys have this down to a science, so thank you. I've never understood why some one like Eley hasn't come out with a Match quality 22 WMR offering, maybe someday.
I'm currently looking to buy a Anschutz 54 in 22 WMR, just for fun. I did have a Ruger 77/22 Mag and with the Volquartsen trigger kit it shot ok but not near as well as regular 22RF.
One guy mentioned the 22 Hornet. I've owned a number of them and hands down the most accurate was the Anschutz 1430. I've had several Ruger's in Hornet, beautiful little rifles but just not very accurate. However any Hornet I've ever owned was plenty good enough for hunting.
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Old 11-22-2021, 11:45 PM
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I totally agree. I do not buy large lots of ammo anymore. I go to a local supplier and buy a box and after I am sure it is a good lot I buy more.
I actually do buy unknown ammo by the case with regards to hunting ammo. I have found that it usually shoots in one of the guns. I have had extraordinary luck with Hornady 30 grn and Federal 30 grn TNT. It all shoots minute of small game: Coon, fox, yote, Bunnies, Crow...

While some rifle ammo combinations do shoot good, I have not found one to equal 1717+Horny Vmax.

Plus the HMR is a bit flatter.

But if accuracy is key, it's back to lr.

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Old 11-23-2021, 01:49 AM
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I've been out of the RF loop for several years so I ask the question. Are there any AMMO manfactures that make a so called match or target grade 22WMR?
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:02 AM
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Negative on match grade 22wmr.
No need. It's intended as hunting ammo.
What use is match quality when offhand center of critter thumping.
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I've been out of the RF loop for several years so I ask the question. Are there any AMMO manfactures that make a so called match or target grade 22WMR?
Not a one sadly...
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Old 11-23-2021, 10:17 PM
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Negative on match grade 22wmr.
No need. It's intended as hunting ammo.
What use is match quality when offhand center of critter thumping.
Yup, until some major shooting organization starts a competition for .22WMR, why would any manufacturer go to the trouble of match grade ammo?
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Old 11-24-2021, 09:32 PM
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Recently picked up a Sako Quad and it does very well with Hornady 30gr Vmax.

Does exceptionally well at 50 yds (under 1/2 MOA) and under MOA at 100 yds.

I haven't adjusted the trigger yet either, I think it can do better.
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Old 11-24-2021, 10:08 PM
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...is that "all day long"?
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Old 11-24-2021, 10:20 PM
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Negative on match grade 22wmr.
No need. It's intended as hunting ammo.
What use is match quality when offhand center of critter thumping.
Well, 'cuase I like to hit 'em between the eye and the ear at 100 yards. But, would I pay a buck a round for 22WMR? Doubtful. Ah, I guess I just have to be happy with missing a few off hand shots. At least I can blame the ammo.

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Old 11-24-2021, 10:28 PM
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Ammo is always a useful excuse B.

With my offhand skills, I need all the excuses I can get.
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Old 11-25-2021, 06:11 AM
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Well Im hoping this test target , from my new to me 2011 CZ 452 Varmint , is indicative of future results
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Old 11-25-2021, 06:44 AM
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I have an Anschutz 1720 HB that has passable accuracy with 30 grain Hornady V-Max.....




Shooting conditions were very similar for both days.
Nice rifle and nice groups.
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Old 11-25-2021, 08:53 AM
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For the majority of shooters, those groups are mostly sub moa results.
I'm not going to agree. Those groups are why I state the 22wmr can't do "all day long".
Rule #1...Hit what you aim at. In order to claim sub moa at 50 yards, center of impact
must be inside a 0.26 inch radius circle around the center of bullseye.
At 100 yards, has to hit inside a 0.52 inch radius around center of bullseye.
At 100 yards, 8 out of 30 strayed, at 50 yards 11 out of 30 strayed.
I look at those images, sub moa "all day long" is not happening. Not being contentious,
simply pointing out that those are not sub moa relative to the point of aim. See Rule #1.

Fine for center of critter, as that is the cartridge's intended use.

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Old 11-25-2021, 11:55 AM
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I'm game for a challenge and have a little time before heading to the in-law's for turkey.

NW Iowa. Current conditions Temp 16 degrees F, NW wind at 15 with gusts of 21.

Lesson 1. Shoot on a warmer day.

Lesson 2. Wear gloves. My hands were numb by time I was done. No excuse, just fact.

Below are pics as I set up and took the shots. Smaller circles are 1/2" targets @ 50 yds. Started cold bore left to right.

Larger red/white target is 1" MOA squares at 100 yds. Shot from left to righ, top to bottom.

5 shots each. I did rush on the red/white target. I honestly could not feel the trigger last 2 groups. Again, not an excuse. Just freaking cold.

50 yds, the rifle did great. 100 yds the wind was definitely pushing the rounds. Hands are warm now and time to eat turkey. Happy Thanksgiving!

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Old 11-25-2021, 01:19 PM
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One minute of angle at 50 yards = .05236".

A 0.2618 inch (.5 MOA est.) radius circle around the center of the bullseye will produce a circle with a diameter of .5235".

Any bullet that lands precisely, center of bullet, on the perimeter of that circle, or within the circle will be within .2618" of the center of the bullseye.

.2618' at 50 yards is .5 MOA.

Hey-Yah: You got one 'em .22 Mags what'll do .2618 from POA all day long? Think my guns must suck; or maybe it's the ammo?

Take the circle of .5235" diameter, double it to get 1.047".Add .223 (bullet diameter) to get 1.27". Print up a few 1.27" diameter targets. Shoot 'em at 50 yards. Any bullet falling completely into the circle is .5236" or less from the center of the target.

.5236 is 1 MOA at 50 yards.

If you do your part, and this is too easy, I commend you, and suggest you go to a smaller target.

If you are proficient at making POI and POA be within .75" of each other at 50 yards with a .22 WMR you should be good to 100 yards, size of target considered, and weather permitting.

150 yards for rabbits? Possible, yes. Wouldn't be counting on head shots, but would be counting on a few ranging shots, and misses.
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