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Old 09-24-2019, 09:38 PM
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Most of my experiences with target shooting have been with a Cooper or Dakota .204 . When I purchased an Anschutz.22lr I didn’t realize how picky 22lr barrels can be. So picky that the best shooters not only pick a particular Brand and type like Eley Tenex or Lapua Center-x but who’ll find a particular lot that shoots especially well in their rifles then buy huge quantities of that lot!

How in the world is that done?

I know there are facilities managed by Eley and Lapua where you can take your rifle and they will shoot a ton of their material through your rifle barrel and tell you which of their types of ammo shoot best and not only that but will test multiple lots of that particular ammo and tell you which lot shoots the best. Then they will sell you 5000 rounds of that particular lot.

Ok, so how does a guy like me who shoots on his farm on a range (old hay field &#x1f601;<img src="https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> with benchrest and plenty of targets?

While waiting on my Anschutz I bought several boxes of different ammo and now cannot even remember where I bought some of the stuff so until I get rid of a whole lot of very nice ammo the idea of a particular lot is out the window.

I am hoping I can find a particular brand or brands that shoot well in my rifle and be happy with that, at least for a while.
So, I plan on a shoot off between different brands and types of ammo until I find which ones consistently pattern best (assuming I can do my part).

How do you determine which ammo you are going to buy several bricks of? Price?

Thanks,

Jim

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:19 PM
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Depends on use and distance to be attempted.
Out to 30 yards, most 22lr cartridges are adequate.
Beyond 30 yards time of flight allows cartridge defects to affect results.
For use at 50 yards and winning isn't important, most standard velocity 22lr will do the job.
If winning is important, then only the best will do and lot testing becomes a priority.
Beyond 50 yards muzzle velocity variations cause vertical spread and visible defects cause strays.
For plinking and off hand fun it doesn't matter.
For precision shooting, well, accuracy is expensive.
Quality cartridges with consistent muzzle velocities and minimal defects aren't cheap.

Take a look at the CZ forum 100 yard challenge to see for yourself which cartridges do well.

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:55 PM
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+1 to what jaia said above. my approach has changed over the years. when i used to take good known lots to the range, sometimes i would get great results, sometimes not so great, and sometimes the results were only what i would consider average.

being where i am, the air is always changing, so even a good lot can turn sub par if an air mass blows in. i usually take about 4 boxes from about 6-8 different lots of stuff with me. then i test before i shoot. i usually use eley or sk/lapua. i used to lot test, but i dont usually even bother anymore, and this strategy of taking a bunch of stuff has helped me improve my results over the past couple years. what i typically have on hand on a given day:

eley club, tested lots of eley tenex or match, sk magazine (right now i have 2 different lots of that), lapua pistol king (i pick some up when i find it on sale), sk pistol match (I have 2 different lots of it right now), sk rifle match (have 2 different lots of it right now also), and I have some center x and a few boxes of midas right now.

now, if you are going to shoot longer ranges, you will have to have a different data card for pistol stuff, because it is slower it has more drop than most of the other match/target sv loads. so if you are shooting matches where the COF can go from 25y to out past 100, take that into consideration because your come ups can be different enough to be the difference between a hit or a miss. not sure if that applys to you or not, but it can make difference. in terms of distances past 150y and out to 300, i usually just use CCI SV when shooting steel. even though it isnt as accurate, i have found that my hit percentages are the same as with the more expensive ammo. i attribute that to the wind.

so if you can test before shooting for score, that is ideal. when i am shooting a match where i cant test, and have to shoot for score from a cold bore i usually use eley in that particular rifle, and start with a clean bore for that particular match. because that barrel works better in that situation. that one has shot some of its best groups with sk/lapua stuff, but the first shot on a cold dirty bore (which is how it shoots its best groups) isnt as consistent as with eley. yet even if the eley isnt shooting as quite as good on the day, that barrel shoots well enough to get the job done when it comes to shooting for score.

at any rate, with an anschutz, either eley or sk/lapua should shoot decently. anschutz sporter barrels in my experience, arent nearly as ammo sensitive as some other brands. even my tightest anschutz barrel, shoots zeros-1/8" at 50y with good lots of lapua, but will still shoot around 1/5"-1/4" at 50y with halfway decent lots of eley. that barrel does have a preference, but its not like it just shoots horribly if it doesnt have its magic load.

if i were you, i would buy a few boxes of eley club, and a few boxes of something like sk rifle match, that should tell you what you need to know. then you can start playing with lots. when you test, i would start with a clean bore and shoot the eley first. eley lube doesnt typically lay down well on a fouled bore, so you will usually get the best test results when you start with a clean bore. with sk/lapua, it will shoot no matter what, but usually shoots a little better with a fouled bore, or at least that has been my experience over the years.

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Old 09-25-2019, 07:19 AM
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Great info guys. My only competition is with myself. I do not shoot in matches of any kind. I just love shooting at targets and getting the best results I can just for me. Oh, occasionally I will take a Target back to the house and show my wife who will smile and nod then say, “Glad you are having fun”. Just turned 69 and having fun is what it is all about.

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Old 09-25-2019, 07:23 AM
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good shooting has some decent prices on sk magazine and eley target right now. you could try those since you arent competing. they should show you something.

https://goodshootinginc.com/rimfire-...t/eley-target/

https://goodshootinginc.com/rimfire-...o-rifle-/1148/
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There isn't any secret to selecting ammo.
Rule #1, the higher the quality (of course the higher price) the more likely it will shoot well. So what is your cost threshold?
Rule #2, when it come to high quality ammo, guys win with carefully selected lot of either Eley, Lapua or RWS. All can win out of the same barrel. It's a rare high quality barrel that has a thing for just one of the above.
Rule #3, in your price range, there might be several brands that will shoot to your satisfaction. But as we already had this discussion, lot A of your favorite brand may not shoot as well as lot B of the same Brand.

When I was shooting smallbore position back in the day, we shot Remington Standard Velocity indoors at 50 feet in league matches (it was really good at 50 feet) and unselected lots Eley 10X (at $19.00 a brick I might add) for 100 yard prone matches and indoors registered matches. Remember, position shooting doesn't need benchrest precision. When I got into Benchrest shooting I followed this forum. Wolf Match was touted very highly so I bought a couple of bricks. It shot very well (at that time). So I bought a 1/2 case that was probably the worst ammo I have ever shot in the "match" range. It was never going to win in my venue. So following a benchrest forum I found out (then) the go to ammo was selected lots of Eley Match. Since then Lapua has made significant improvements and RWS has become popular as well. The point is what are your expectations and how much are you willing to spend and what is your ability to tell the difference between brand or lots. Be honest with your self. Tin can accuracy or the in-ability to hit the inside of a barn doesn't require 1/4 MOA precision. Start slowly and when the ammo doesn't meet you expectations, your going to have to start paying more.
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Old 09-25-2019, 01:52 PM
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MKnarr, don't you have the record at 100yds, for the 22lr, and what ammo and barrel did you have in your build?? My memory is not what is once was!!
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:15 PM
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First of all there is no problem with the cost of ammo. The ammo for my 22 hornet and 204 Ruger rifles cost much more. The other thing is my farm is 200 miles from where I live and I only get up there once every two weeks and so I do not shoot a whole lot of ammo. I would say I shoot about 60 times in each trip to my range. During this time of year, when nothing much else is going on, I may visit the range two or even three times each trip. During wild turkey season, however, I will not be shooting at all as the area is one of the places I hunt for wild turkeys!

My expectations are that I will be able to find the best ammo that shoots in my Anschutz rifle in terms of patterns. I don’t expect to shoot competitively nor even attempt to. I do like the idea of a rifle that shoots one hole five shots at 50 yards on a regular basis. That’s about it.

Jim

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When you get to the point that lot #s become a consideration, there are outfits that will sell you an assortment of 50 rd boxes, same make and model but with different lot #s. You test them and order the lot # that performs best in your firearm.

Once they're out of your lot #, it's back to testing.

Personally, I find CCI-SV reliably shoots angle of Necco wafer in my Model 41 and that's better than I deserve.

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MKnarr, don't you have the record at 100yds, for the 22lr, and what ammo and barrel did you have in your build?? My memory is not what is once was!!
Actually I hold several records. I hold the online record for the smallest group at 100 yards with a 10/22 when we were having the "best" group matches. .339 with my Ruger 10/22, Lilja barrel, Kidd trigger at 6 ounces, T36 scope, pillar bedded in a Richard Microfit benchrest stock and an outstanding lot of Sk STD +. I also hold the local record for smallest group at 100 yards shot on demand of .330 with my Anschutz, Shilen barrel, trigger at 2 ounces, T36 scope, pillar bedded in a benchrest stock shooting Lapua Midas ammo. I also hold the record in Farmington NM with 6 perfect scores in benchrest silhouette at 65, 75, 100, 150 and 200 meters and 9 highest scores for the year using the Anschutz with both Eley Match and Lapua Midas. I also "held" the record at Albuquerque NM again in long distance silhouette with the Anschutz and Lapua Midas. That record was 38 of 40 targets and is now held by someone else at 39 of 40 targets. But you also have to know I started small bore competition in 1968 with a background in NRA National Match competition since 1964. Quit shooting in 1978 and started benchrest in 2004 to 2015 so I have a fair amount of experience.
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Jim.

You have received great advise from Jaia, MKnarr, Clem and others here who know far more than myself. There’s not much else I can offer other than to say try as many different types of ammunition as possible. Testing appears to be name of the game and more importantly testing ammo in the same shooting/weather conditions.

In local club myself and shoot for the enjoyment with a few club competitions to see how I do and being sociable. Same position as yourself a few years ago re ammo and I was told to get two 50 rd boxes of everything I could get my hands on, target/sporting/hunting & trash ammo. In a very short time I knew what one/two brands in each category worked in my rifle. Further testing narrowed down my ammo choices.

Anschutz shoot super accurate but some are very finicky ammo wise. For me Eley/RWS/SK shoot the best for BR and SK Std+ works just fine for vermin control.

Enjoy the shooting Jim; most of all enjoy the fun of it.

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That is exactly my plan, to enjoy shooting and have fun. &#x1f603;
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Ammo selection is an interesting adventure at the least. Enjoy getting to know your rifle and.... of course selecting the ammo.
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Ammo selection is an interesting adventure at the least. Enjoy getting to know your rifle and.... of course selecting the ammo.
You are so right, huntschool... finding out first hand what your rifle likes is the best way to happiness!

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