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Old 08-23-2008, 11:39 PM
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The stock on mine is undamaged. The varnish is just worn here and there where handling has taken place. The rest of the rifle could pass as brand new except for the bolt knob which has minor discoloration from use.
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:43 PM
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YPA/\ is Greek capital letters spelling Ural! I should know I know Classic Greek. All the time I was looking at these letters my mind was saying something was familiar here. Russian is close to Greek. The "Y" is a U, the P is a Rho (for R) A is Alpha and the last letter is the capital Lambda!
So why does M-1100 follow after mine instead of a 1 or 2 or 3? Is there a URAL M1100?

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Old 08-24-2008, 09:11 AM
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Considering you said it was all over the rifle, I'd still go with serial number. Mine is similar, H-1267.
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:41 AM
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There is a source of information.
However, the information is in Russian.

If only ... at one of the Russian Forums an English speaking participant would interact with us.
If the info is on the internet, isn't there a translator engine out there on the web.
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:00 AM
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Right. M-1100 is stamped all over everything on mine. So is this a Ural #1 since a lot of times the first model has the "1" left out since the "2" isn't developed yet?
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Lost in Translation

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If the info is on the internet, isn't there a translator engine out there on the web.
Michael
This is my favorite and most effective translator.
Google Translate
However, once you try it ... you'll see its limitations.
Not everything translates in a legible manner.

Take a look at these references:
Sporting Weapons

Domestic hunting rifles Rifled.

Domestic combined hunting and sporting rifles.

Domestic hunting rifles. Гладкоствольные. Smoothbore.

The hunting gear and ammunition cartridges for hunting rifles.
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"VOSTOK" CM2 .22 target rifle

Valery Shilin guns club wwwboard (english)

VOSTOK CM2 - July 2, 2003

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The Vostok CM2 rifle was If I remember rightly made in
Russia by Baikal, the Russian Arms Company. Originally the
Vostok was produced in very limited numbers for members of
the national shooting teams.

Vostok model 1, 2 and 3 and the Vostok CM2

Vostok Models 1 through 3 were made in numbers less than
500 each (as far as I know) The date for production seems
to be around 1959 through to 1964.

I have owned several Vostoks Model numbers 1 2 and 3, the
best being a Model 3 (Rome Olympics) Russian Reserve team
rifle no 422, It shot so well that It was used by one UK
National shooter and 2 other County shooters before I
purchased it. After 2 years of owning the rifle I got into
the Surrey County Shooting Team (United Kingdom) my best
series with the rifle was 699 ex 700 at 25yds. Sadly when I
gave up shooting in August 2000, nobody wanted my Vostoks,
so they were all broken up and scrapped.

The early Vostoks are not considered to be "Good Guns" by
today's standards, they are dated to be sure but they were
made from the very best materials and the barrels are
excellent. The CM2 was brought in sometime in the 1970s and
was still being sold in the early 1990's, I do not know
about now. The CM2 was inferior to the original Vostoks due
to the fact it was mass produced for the open market as a
entry level small bore target rifle. I believe the purchase
price for a new one in the late 1980's was ?200 ($320)

They are certainly not rare, Price, well I paid around ?50
($80) (1984) for my Model 3 and that came complete with
al;l the accessories as well as all the 3 positional parts.

To pay any more nowdays for a second hand CM2 would be
robbery. You also need to test shoot (grouping from a
static test bed at 50 yds - NOT SHOOTING IT YOURSELF)any
target rifle before purchasing, any spread larger than 15mm
by 15mm after 10 shots from 50 yds don't buy! (my rifle
tested at 10 shots from 50yds with a 9mm by 11mm spread).

Use various batches or different types of Ammunition to see
what ammunition the rifle likes (.22 LR Tenex/Tenex Xtra by
Eley is what I used)

Remember that different batches of the same ammunition will
shoot differently.

Vostoks are a cheap entry rifle, you might consider a going
after a X Barrelled Anshutz instead. (Top factory selected
Barrels on Anshutz Rifles have a X either before or after
the serial number)

The earlier models can be very reasonably priced and spares
are no problem (unlike the Vostok, where to get a spare you
simply buy another rifle and strip it)
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:45 PM
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Whoever Derek Dredge is (the author of this quote) he wrote this in 2003. The references to the CM-2 being robbery beyond $80 to pay for really date this article. None of us who own one on this forum have anything but sheer surprise to our investment in a CM-2. However, aom22, I notice you posted earlier saying it wouldn't be long before people who buy them would be re-selling them. Do you have one? Have you seen one up close and fired one? Again, I know my CM-2 is a keeper and a prize to own.
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Whoever Derek Dredge is (the author of this quote) he wrote this in 2003.
The references to the CM-2 being robbery beyond $80 to pay for really date this article....
I know it was a dated article.
However, I posted it because of the relevant information on the model numbers.
And, the first-hand opinions and evaluations on quality and workmanship.


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None of us who own one on this forum have anything but sheer surprise to our investment in a CM-2.
However, aom22, I notice you posted earlier saying it wouldn't be long before people who buy them would be re-selling them.
Do you have one?
Have you seen one up close and fired one?
Again, I know my CM-2 is a keeper and a prize to own.
No Sir ... to my regret I don't own a CM-2.
My Russian firearms purchases have been limited to the Biathlon Series 7-3 & 7-2.

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However, aom22, I notice you posted earlier saying it wouldn't be long before people who buy them would be re-selling them....
I was referring to opportunistic investors.
Those people who will buy anything for the purpose of reselling for profit.
They, generally, know little or nothing of the commodity they're buying.

I am not referring to knowledgeable gun traders/buyers
who keep a sharp eye out for firearms that are, unwittingly, priced below market value.
They know a bargain when they see it.

But, they, more than likely, will offer the firearm to another gun enthusiast ... at a fair price.

I've already seen some auctions on TOZ 35 Free Pistols.
It was obvious from the accompanying description,
the sellers had no idea of the significance of the product they were trying to hawk.

Most likely, the TOZ was a CDNN purchase ... cleaned-up a little
and being re-sold at a higher price.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:00 AM
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Sorry I misinterpreted your line of thought here and apologize for getting defensive about my CM-2. However, my CM-2 is sacred territory because it is a rare thing for me to spend so little and get so much more! I really love this rifle from USSR and feel like the hand of providence intervened into my pessimistic side of "you get what you pay for."
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Mine is mismatched it is a superb shooter. Trigger is heavenly.




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It also had this front half of a scope mount on it. The back half was not there. It was epoxied on. A little tap took it off. I think K-1291 is the serial.


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Old 08-28-2008, 09:55 AM
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Bolt looks like mine but I don't have the big Knob--just the silver one. That is a Ural--like mine. Mine's serial M-1100 with all matching parts.
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Ok you guys, I couldn't stand it any longer, I ordered a CM-2 from CDNN today and it's all your fault . I asked if any had provisions for scope mounting, no they said, asked about sight inserts and they said they think so. Are there any accessories or such I should have asked about? I've always wanted a real target style rifle, so I'm exsited to get this one and try her out.
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:14 AM
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Oh, and someone posted about people buying these then turning them on gunbroker, looks like it may have started. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=108697285 Check out the starting bid?? Is that the same rifle being discussed here?
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