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Old 07-23-2013, 12:26 PM
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Hector is closing in on finding all of these rifles, despite the best efforts of JWA and myself to carve a niche in their possession. Definitely needs to go into the 69A Sticky. Great thread!

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=498549
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Old 11-04-2017, 10:01 AM
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I took the liberty of updating 22AGS's Model 69A Decoder Ring to separate the Standards into the two types and to include what we know now about the oh-so-rare Super Targets and Super Matches:

Standard 69A – Winchester 80A Rear Peep sight:
97A front ramp sight
Winchester 80A rear peep (with no rear barrel sight dovetail cut)
Receiver grooved for tipoff scopes after ~mid-1954
Standard stock, no drop at heel
No sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE" (pre-WWII), or "22 S. L. OR L.R." (post WWII)
Four land and groove barrel
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Standard 69A – Sporting/Open Rear Sight:
75C bead front sight
Winchester 32 sporting rear barrel open sight with elevator
Receiver grooved for tipoff scopes after ~mid-1954
Standard stock, no drop at heel
No sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE" (pre-WWII), or "22 S. L. OR L.R." (post WWII)
Four land and groove barrel
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Target (Pre-War):
93A blade front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, clearance cut for 80A
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: 22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE"
Four land and groove barrel
Drilled and Tapped for scope blocks on barrel
Barrel Proof Mark moved more forward than standard location to avoid being drilled out

Target (Post-War):
93A blade front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep sight
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Heavier stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, with clearance cut for 80A
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 L. Rifle"
Six land and groove barrel
No rear barrel sight dovetail
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Match (Pre-War):
93A blade front sight mostly; occasionally with 101A front ramp sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, clearance cut for 57EW
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: 22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE"
Four land and groove barrel
Drilled and Tapped for scope blocks on barrel
Barrel Proof Mark moved more forward than standard location to avoid being drilled out

Match (Post-War):
93A blade front sight mostly; occasionally with 101A front ramp sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, with clearance cut for 57EW
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 L. Rifle"
FOUR or Six land and groove barrel
No rear barrel sight dovetail
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Junior Target Shooter Special (JTSS):
93A blade front sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Receiver grooved for tipoff scopes
Standard stock with no drop at heel
One 1 1/4" front sling swivel only, no rear swivel
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 S. L. or LR"
Four land and groove barrel
Rear barrel sight dovetail cutout, plugged
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Last edited by 3Dub; 11-05-2017 at 06:47 AM. Reason: typo/punctuation fix; corrected rear sight; edit2: added grooviness statement
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:36 PM
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I took the liberty of updating 22AGS's Model 69A Decoder Ring to separate the Standards into the two types and to include what we know now about the oh-so-rare Super Targets and Super Matches:

Standard 69A Winchester 80A Rear Peep sight:
97A front ramp sight
Winchester 80A rear peep (with no rear barrel sight dovetail cut)
Receiver grooved for tipoff scopes after ~mid-1954
Standard stock, no drop at heel
No sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE" (pre-WWII), or "22 S. L. OR L.R." (post WWII)
Four land and groove barrel
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Standard 69A Sporting/Open Rear Sight:
75C bead front sight
Winchester 32 sporting rear barrel open sight with elevator
Receiver grooved for tipoff scopes after ~mid-1954
Standard stock, no drop at heel
No sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE" (pre-WWII), or "22 S. L. OR L.R." (post WWII)
Four land and groove barrel
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Target (Pre-War):
93A blade front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, clearance cut for 80A
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: 22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE"
Four land and groove barrel
Drilled and Tapped for scope blocks on barrel
Barrel Proof Mark moved more forward than standard location to avoid being drilled out

Target (Post-War):
93A blade front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep sight
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Heavier stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, with clearance cut for 80A
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 L. Rifle"
Six land and groove barrel
No rear barrel sight dovetail
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Match (Pre-War):
93A blade front sight mostly; occasionally with 101A front ramp sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, clearance cut for 57EW
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: 22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE"
Four land and groove barrel
Drilled and Tapped for scope blocks on barrel
Barrel Proof Mark moved more forward than standard location to avoid being drilled out

Match (Post-War):
93A blade front sight mostly; occasionally with 101A front ramp sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Receiver not grooved for tipoff scopes
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, with clearance cut for 57EW
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 L. Rifle"
FOUR or Six land and groove barrel
No rear barrel sight dovetail
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Junior Target Shooter Special (JTSS):
93A blade front sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Receiver grooved for tipoff scopes
Standard stock with no drop at heel
One 1 1/4" front sling swivel only, no rear swivel
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 S. L. or LR"
Four land and groove barrel
Rear barrel sight dovetail cutout, plugged
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

The G6940R post war Match Rifle, is also correct with the Lyman 57 E and all will have the straight handle bolts. Most, if not all, will have the two rib, TRADEMARK marked magazine. Just thought I would throw this info in. Big Larry
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Old 12-10-2017, 01:30 AM
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which way does the ejector sit in the action? please.

Does the wear mark go forward or backward?

Woops, I think this is wrong place
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which way does the ejector sit in the action? please.

Does the wear mark go forward or backward?

Woops, I think this is wrong place
Huey Chief,

I will answer it here anyway so it will be recorded for posterity.

The beveled corner goes forward so that it is on the right side. If you look at the top of the ejector you will also see a ridge the runs fore and aft. The ridge goes to the left and engages a groove on the underside of the bolt. If you install the ejector facing the wrong way you will not be able to fully insert the bolt.


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This post is intended as a quick referral for the 69A, made from 1937 to 1963, total produced approximately 355,000. For two years prior, this gun was preceded by the 69, which had a different lock design. There are small details that changed along the way which are not addressed here, such as the bolt being straight and later bent, chromed hardware, grooved trigger and receiver, etc. That information is available. Standard barrel length on all of these versions is 25". A five round clip was standard, but a 10 rounder as well as a couple of versions of a single shot adaptor could be had, and they fit all of these guns. The original thread this came from has a lot more information. https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=363247

Match:
93A blade front sight
Lyman 57E rear peep sight (Actually 57EW)
Heavier stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, with clearance cut for 57E (actually 57EW)
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 L. Rifle"
FOUR or Six land and groove barrel
No rear barrel sight dovetail
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Target:
93A blade front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep sight
Heavier stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, with clearance cut for 80A
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 L. Rifle"
Six land and groove barrel
No rear barrel sight dovetail
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location (edit note: March 1, 2013-- standard location, unless the barrel is factory drilled and tapped, in which case the proof is between the rear block holes, forward of the normal location)

Junior Target Shooter Special (JTSS)
93A blade front sight
Lyman 57EW rear peep sight
Standard stock with no drop at heel
One 1 1/4" front sling swivel only, no rear swivel
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 S. L. or LR"
Four land and groove barrel
Rear barrel sight dovetail cutout, plugged
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

Standard 69A
97A front ramp sight or 75C bead front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep (with no rear barrel sight dovetail cut) in combination with 97A front sight only or ...
32 sporting rear barrel open sight with elevator in combination with 75C front bead sight only
Standard stock, no drop at heel
No sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: "22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE" (pre-WWII), or "22 S. L. OR L.R." (post WWII)
Four land and groove barrel
Barrel Proof Mark in standard location

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This last one may or may not be factory, we couldn't find any written source for it. However, there are enough of these out there that we have several guys on the board with identical ones.
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Update September, 2012. Another one has recently emerged. Total known (to me) versions of this gun now stand at 6, all identical.
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( March 1, 2013---We are now at a count of 9 identical rifles to the original one mentioned previously having the four barrel holes and proof mark moved forward to clear the proof mark. JWA has found additional factory evidence of this version's existence.)
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Uncatalogued:
93A blade front sight
Winchester 80A rear peep
Match/Target stock with 1 1/4" drop at heel, clearance cut for 80A
Two 1 1/4" sling swivels
Barrel Roll Mark: 22 SHORT LONG AND LONG RIFLE"
Four land and groove barrel
Drilled and Tapped for scope blocks on barrel
Barrel Proof Mark moved more forward than standard location to avoid being drilled out

Perhaps the best title for the uncatalogued gun would be the "SUPER TARGET". It could be postulated that this gun was built for the serious iron sight rimfire shooter on a budget who still wanted the option of mounting a scope. This theory however would seem to have serious marketing flaws, since the only available scopes for mounting on the barrel at that time (Lyman TargetSpot/Jr, Fecker, Unertl, etc) all cost more than the gun--in many cases twice as much. So much for being budget conscious. And also there was the 75 Target to fill the same niche. So maybe this is why we do not see more of these. The Match and Target rifles were for established NRA style matches that never allowed the use of glass, so perhaps this is why there were none of those drilled and tapped at the factory.
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Edit: February 1, 2014. We have identified these rifles as bonafide factory, and here is a link on an even rarer version just discovered, currently the only one we have seen or heard of..
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=534769

There are a few others we have seen or heard of--the standard rifle with the two plugged holes in the receiver (which I would say is only a cleanup gun issue), and the "Deluxe" version, checkered with fancier wood. And then there is the pre-A 69, and the factory scoped 69's and 697's......

It took a lot of time and effort to surpass Jerry/22AGS's efforts but the definitive guide to the 69/69A is now available (a mere 450+ pages):

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1201607
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