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Old 05-12-2013, 03:55 PM
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Drilling Man, do you or anyone else know what the average velocity of the .22 LR and .22WMR out of 4" to 6" barrel pistols would be?
I'm curious as to what velocity gains would be had in the magnum out of a pistol.
I've never been a big fan of the .22 WMR but do have a 651 that I like the looks of but have never shot. I also like the 48 and 648 but don't own either.


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Old 05-12-2013, 05:27 PM
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Copied from a post on KTOG by LKLawson...
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OK, I know I'll probably go to hell for stirring this particular pot, but...

Over on the HPFF a poster asked about a comparison of the .22LR and the .22WMR from handgun length barrels.

Here are the raw numbers for your enjoyment (frustration, aggravation, poo-flinging anger... you fill in the blank).


Ammunition____________gr.__Vel._______fp/e
.22 Mag.*
CCI Maxi-Mag JHP______40___1318______154
CCI Maxi-Mag TNT______30___1464______143
Winchester Tin JHP____28___1498______139
Winchester JHP________30___1497______149
Winchester JHP________34___1363______140
Winchester FMJ________40___1317______154
Winchester DynaPoint__45___1136______129
Winchester JHP________40___1266______142
PMC Predator JHP______40___1205______129

Lowest Energy Level = 129 fp/e
Highest Energy Level = 154 fp/e
Average Energy Level = 142 fp/e


.22LR**
CCI CPHP______________27___971_______56.5
CCI CPRN______________29___951_______58.2
CCI CPHP Stinger______32___1215______104.9
Rem. Yellow Jacket____33___1098______88.3
Rem. Viper____________36___1089______94.8
Rem. Golden Bullet ___36___974_______75.8
CCI Mini-Mag _________40___1026______93.5
Win. Super X RN_______40___1001______89
CCI Velocitor_________40___1086______104.7
Aguila SSS____________60___776_______80.2

Lowest Energy Level = 56.5 fp/e
Highest Energy Level = 104.9 fp/e
Average Energy Level = 84.6 fp/e

Difference Between Lowest Energy Level = 44% (.22LR is 44% the energy of .22WMR)
Difference Between Highest Energy Level = 68% (.22LR is 68% the energy of .22WMR)
Difference Between Average Energy Level = 60% (.22LR is 60% the energy of .22WMR)

*As reported by GunBlast.com article from a KelTec PMR-30 4.32" bbl.
**As reported by Ballistics by the Inch from a 4.5" bbl Whitney Wolverine."

It's obvious that some folks need to do more research...at least to me it is, maybe not to them.
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:58 PM
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Now that's some good info.
Thanks for posting Gerald.
I may need to rethink my ideas about the WMR.
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:22 PM
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Fair enough, since you seem happy to post some results, what's the velocity for a .22 magnum out of a 24" barrel?
Never mind, I'll do it. Between 1900 to over 2100 fps. Depending on bullet weight.
Considerable difference I'd say.
Strange, where did all that velocity go?
Anyway, in all fairness to the people that just have to have one, they are making self defense loads for short barreled pistols with a faster burning power.
Have fun!!!
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:00 PM
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Thanks for posting Even the lowley Dynapoints beat out the Velocitors in both speed and energy! I think I'll replace the LR cylinder with the WMR in my 650. I have plenty of those Dynapoints
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This discussion was about revolvers, not rifles
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:01 PM
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Fair enough, since you seem happy to post some results, what's the velocity for a .22 magnum out of a 24" barrel?
Never mind, I'll do it. Between 1900 to over 2100 fps. Depending on bullet weight.
Considerable difference I'd say.
Strange, where did all that velocity go?
Anyway, in all fairness to the people that just have to have one, they are making self defense loads for short barreled pistols with a faster burning power.
Have fun!!!
Wayne
If you compare, there is also a significant velocity loss in the .22 LR in pistol length barrels compared to rifle barrels, although not quite as much.
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Yep results, not one persons opinion based on???? Just plumb ludicrous isn't it.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:43 AM
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I don't have my old notes in front of me, but even the posted results above show the huge loss of the 22 magnum, when shot out of a revolver...

For me, with the all the magnums "aditional" muzzle blast/noise, they aren't worth it and i've stuck to 22 pistols instead.

I also appreciate the added accuracy of a good 22 pistol too...

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Old 05-15-2013, 12:46 PM
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If you shoot the 22 mag out of one of the North American arms mini revolvers it goes down even further , in the 900 FPS range. --Note results from actual chrono sessions with a NA mini revolver with a 2" barrel.
BTW I worked in a hospital for 42 years and have seen a couple of people shot ant close range , 2 people @powder burn range, and there was zero expansion on the recovered bullets from short , 2", barreled revolvers. Not a first choice for a defense round. I have not chronographed the new personal defense rounds though , maybe they are better.
Now the same S&W Mod 63 in 32 Mag , which they made, would be a much more efficient defense round .
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:33 AM
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Gerald
Thanks for posting Even the lowley Dynapoints beat out the Velocitors in both speed and energy! I think I'll replace the LR cylinder with the WMR in my 650. I have plenty of those Dynapoints
Wayne
This discussion was about revolvers, not rifles
True, but if you had read the entire thread, I think it was my feeble attempt at a little humor, that turned this into the Salem witch trials.
But, to get back to the original topic, I still would like S&W to bring back the 22/32 Heavy Target .22. Such a classy little revolver.
Wayne
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With pocket guns being "all the rage", Smith should do a revival of the Model 1 in either the original 22 short or updated to LR.

The NAA minis come close but a real S&W would be super cool!
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Just call me wierd.
My choice would be a blued 4" fixed-sight K-Frame 10-shot .22LR.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:42 PM
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Just call me wierd.
My choice would be a blued 4" fixed-sight K-Frame 10-shot .22LR.
Not weird at all! Kind of a dark blue, 10 round Model 617. (and of course without the full lug)
Like it!

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Old 05-18-2013, 09:06 AM
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I believe my holy grail would be an N frame 4" in .22 lr with a half under lug barrel. Of course it would have to come with the target hammer and trigger.
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Drilling Man, do you or anyone else know what the average velocity of the .22 LR and .22WMR out of 4" to 6" barrel pistols would be?
Did you read what the American Rifleman magazine had to say this month, about the 22WMR as a handgun round for defence?

They had some good info with velocities of different loads in handgun bbl. lengths, and what they thought of the 22WMR handgun as a defence round...

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