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Old 06-05-2020, 01:04 PM
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The question really isn’t specific to the 1022. Most of the 22’s on this forum have some “trick” for improving the trigger. Why do they sell replacement triggers for literally everything from ar’s to glocks to mausers to Mosins to sks’?
Seriously, not everyone needs a better trigger, and especially in third world nation armies, a stiffer trigger can save lives of recruits. When you are a good enough shot to appreciate that better trigger, you can upgrade, and no innocent bystanders, friends, or neighbors got hurt in your getting to that point.
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Why does Ruger continue to produce 10-22 rifles with such POS trigger. Why do they think we enjoy swapping it out and forking over more over our money to fix something they make wrong.
The majority of buyers don’t know the difference, and don’t care. A factory Ruger trigger will smooth out somewhat with use, and for the average, undiscerning buyer, it’s “good enough” that it goes bang.

You have above average taste and ability to change the functionality of your 10-22s, which is a good thing. I do not expect Ruger to improve their stock triggers- their idea of an upgrade is a BX trigger, which in my experience is not “better” enough to justify the cost.

All 7 of the 10-22s in my safe have Kidd triggers, so I’m more of a snob than you, lol. In fact, the only Ruger parts I use are magazines, and even my preferred mags are the now discontinued Tactical Innovations TI25s.

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Why does Ruger continue to produce 10-22 rifles with such POS trigger. Why do they think we enjoy swapping it out and forking over more over our money to fix something they make wrong.
One of my co-workers bought a 10/22 for plinking with his son. He was very happy with it and kept telling me what a great trigger it had. He asked me to help coach his son a bit, so we went to the range the next weekend.

Yup, it had the standard 10/22 trigger! It was about average for a factory 10/22 trigger.

That is exactly why Ruger keeps putting that trigger in the 10/22. Most plinkers don't know any better and don't care. It goes pew-pew every time they pull the trigger and they can hit tin cans at 5 yards so they're happy!

I was nice to my co-worker and didn't bring any of my 10/22's with Kidd triggers to the range.

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Old 06-05-2020, 06:23 PM
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One of my co-workers bought a 10/22 for plinking with his son. He was very happy with it and kept telling me what a great trigger it had. He asked me to help coach his son a bit, so we went to the range the next weekend.

Yup, it had the standard 10/22 trigger! It was about average for a factory 10/22 trigger.

That is exactly why Ruger keeps putting that trigger in the 10/22. Most plinkers don't know any better and don't care. It goes pew-pew every time they pull the trigger and they can hit tin cans at 5 yards so they're happy!

I was nice to my co-worker and didn't bring any of my 10/22's with Kidd triggers to the range.

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Yep! In a way, a heavy trigger on a stock 10-22 isn’t such a bad thing. Many 10-22s are purchased as starter guns for kids. I can tell you from personal experience, you want at least a 2lb trigger pull when teaching newbies and youngsters to shoot- especially boys.
After they’ve learned the ropes with safety, then they can step to something lighter and learn what a “nice” trigger feels like.

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Ruger doesn't put a "better" trigger in the 10-22 for the same reason they install ill-fitting ugly plywood grips on their single action revolvers, and send them out with thread choke in the barrels and undersized chamber throats. They do it because Joe Sixpack doesn't know or care that things could be better. Joe will continue to purchase their sometimes-functioning guns because all he does is blast at targets 10 yards away anyway. As long as he sees holes close to where he wanted them, he's content.

Ruger figures that anyone sophisticated enough to realize that their 10-22 doesn't have to have a 10-pound, gritty trigger is going to replace it anyway, or at very least do a trigger job (or pay someone else to do it for him). It's the same with their revolvers. They realize that anyone who is knowledgeable enough to realize that grips should actually fit the gun is probably going to replace the factory grips anyway. If they actually realize how a revolver should be manufactured, they'll send it to a gunsmith to have the factory supplied deficiencies corrected (because Ruger sure won't do it).
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Old 06-06-2020, 06:57 AM
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I've been shooting for more than 50 years. I have about a dozen 10/22s from every era from the 1970s to current day. I've never replaced the triggers on any of them. Don't own a BX trigger and never had a trigger job done on a 10/22. I am also a rifle instructor and use 10/22s in my classes all with stock triggers.

Call me a luddite, call me unsophisticated but I've never found a 10/22 that I couldn't shoot well even with a stock trigger. Of course if I want precision accuracy I'll use a different rifle than a 10/22. But a 10/22 is what it is and what it is is good enough for 99% of it's owners and that is why Ruger doesn't have the BX trigger on their standard 10/22s.

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Old 06-06-2020, 07:08 AM
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I've been shooting for more than 50 years. I have about a dozen 10/22s from every era from the 1970s to current day. I've never replaced the triggers on any of them. Don't own a BX trigger and never had a trigger job done on a 10/22. I am also a rifle instructor and use 10/22s in my classes all with stock triggers.

Call me a luddite, call me unsophisticated but I've never found a 10/22 that I couldn't shoot well even with a stock trigger. Of course if I want precision accuracy I'll use a different rifle than a 10/22. But a 10/22 is what it is and what it is is good enough for 99% of it's owners and that is why Ruger doesn't have the BX trigger on their standard 10/22s.
You are correct of course, ya dang Luddite. It's only us effete, elitist forum nutjobs who sneeringly look down our noses at stock triggers. I do some sort of trigger improvement on almost every gun I own, for a smoother and lighter pull. Partly it's curiosity--What can I get this thing to do? And it's also for the nicer experience when pulling, and making holes show up closer together.

Certainly for general plinking and initial marksmanship training, it's good enough.
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Old 06-06-2020, 10:35 AM
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I've been shooting Ruger's of all kinds for fifty plus years. It's been my experience that Ruger does a decent job of producing new designs and models and umpteen variations on those models, but it's also been my experience that once a model has been introduced, Ruger tends to be stubborn about avoiding any "upgrade" to those basic actions with what we shooters might view as improvements. I can only speculate as to what goes in behind their corporate doors, but to me the trigger on a 10/22 is just Ruger being Ruger and it's not like they lack for sales.

Moreover, I've been shooting 10/22s almost as long as there have been 10/22s and for most of those years, I just used those stock triggers and did just fine. This, of course, was many, many years before we had any aftermarket options for 10/22s. In those days, no one could have imagined that someday, shooters would be turning 10/22s into race guns. The 10/22 was just a good out of the box value in 22 auto and it still is, crummy trigger and all.

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Old 06-09-2020, 01:24 PM
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Bottom line is that the 10/22 is a entry level rifle with an entry level trigger. I don't think Ruger ever imagined it as more than that. They are probably astonished that it has sprouted it's own aftermarket part/clone industry.
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Old 06-09-2020, 01:40 PM
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I see people all the time with 100% OEM 10/22's at my LGS or at the range. Usually when I do see someone with one I start talking to them about upgrades that can be made, especially to the trigger. By far the most common answer I get back from them regarding the trigger is that their OEM triggers are completely fine. 95% of the 10/22 owners out there will buy a 10/22, take it out of the box, maybe put some type of optic on it, and shoot it. They are more than happy to be able to hit a tin can @50 yards. Ruger's not going to change anything on one of the best selling firearms of all time. And for those few people outside of the 1% that we represent that want something just a little better, they have different models like the Performance Center 10/22 which comes with the BX trigger at a higher price. Of every single firearm I own (rifles & handguns) I can only think of a couple that don't require either a re-worked or aftermarket trigger to get it to how I want it. The only firearms I own that do have great OEM triggers are Performance Center models from a couple different companies. And I paid a heck of a lot more for most of my firearms than the cost of a new 10/22 carbine.
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Old 06-11-2020, 05:50 PM
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That is onne of the reasons I bought a Bergara BXR; a 10/22 clone with a better barrel, better trigger, and better composite stock. Of course more money, but lots less trouble. Mine is a really good shooter and done straight out of the box.
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Why? Because people continue to buy them. It doesn't matter if they are $100 more expensive than a Marlin 60, that is both more accurate and reliable out of the box. As long as people buy their stuff, they will continue to build it as cheaply as humanly possible, and charge the maximum people will pay. Basic business...
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