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Old 09-11-2019, 03:50 PM
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Not sure this is the correct category, but who is shooting their 1022 or clone 200+ yards ?? I have a Victor Titan/all Kidd 1022 and am looking to shoot long range..to start @ 200 yards..longest range available at my gun club.. Looking for info on scopes, ammo, ect.. TIA
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:37 PM
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Just curious, what are you trying to accomplish shooting at that range? Someone with more experience than me will chime in. It just doesn't sound like fun to me.
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:53 PM
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Just for something different.. shooting 50 and 100 yards all the time gets boring to me.. I end up shooting the staples out of the targets after shooting 200-300 rounds.. A friend of mine runs a PRS 22 match once a month.. They shoot out to 300 and sometimes 350 at steel.. Now that sounds fun to me
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:19 PM
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You will need to get another 20 or so moa on your scope somehow. Its around
40 moa up to get to 300. Many people using the Vortex Tactical 6x24 in 30mm. The problem I'm having is to get that 20 moa picatinny rail in an extended length to allow the scope to be mounted forward enough for proper eye relief in some of the weird positions the match directors think up. Good luck, it's a blast
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:27 PM
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Youíll want a +20 MOA rail, or Burris Sig Zee rings w/inserts set to give you enough downslope to your scope- a mil dot reticle and higher magnification scope helps.
I prefer a minimum of 24X at 100, and usually use a 30X Leupold when shooting .22 at 100 & 200 yards.
SV ammo is best as much of the HV stuff goes through the subsonic transition in less than 200 yards and the results can produce erratic trajectory.
Iíve managed some respectable sub MOA groups at 100, but everything seems to open up from there and making 2Ē groups at 200 is much more difficult than MOA @ 100- cone of fire & all that.

What ammo does your rifle prefer?

What kind of groups can you get @ 50? 100?

What rest/bag system are you shooting with?

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Old 09-11-2019, 08:30 PM
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You will need to get another 20 or so moa on your scope somehow. Its around
40 moa up to get to 300. Many people using the Vortex Tactical 6x24 in 30mm. The problem I'm having is to get that 20 moa picatinny rail in an extended length to allow the scope to be mounted forward enough for proper eye relief in some of the weird positions the match directors think up. Good luck, it's a blast
What he said! The bullet drop is the single most mitigating factor with standard equipment. Without MOA added to your mount, most scopes run out of elevation and you literally have to aim off target to hit at 200 & especially 300.

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Edit- 660grizzlyguy- have you looked at the Burris Sig Zees w/offset inserts?
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Ive been campaigning a couple of vintage Stevens rifles for about 10yrs with 4&5 x vintage target scopes out to 200yd on properly scaled silhouettes. Some of the other chaps have been using higher power and some peeps. The scores/hits are similar. Btw, the scaled 50yd chix are offhand, the rest off cross-sticks if you want. We are mostly now old wobblies..... Even so nobody has cleaned the 10 ram rail.
We can get the adj. with the vintage target scope external mounts. When I tried my more modern int. adj. scope I ran out of elev. at 200 so I used the thicker duplex 'hair at 6:00 as a post and dialed in for center of mass on the rams. Works fine. I do the same with 1400ish fps cast bullet 30-06 loads at 200 (1918 Springfield '03 c/w El Paso Weaver K4). But ya gotta remember to use the post not the center hairs!
If I had 300 to try I am sure Id need the 20moa rail. The chaps who have shot both 300 22RF and BP Cart. Rifle @1000 say they are comparable disciplines in scale.
Btw, we have found SV is better, as expected, for wind drift than HV but the 'transition effect' no. That is a phenom associated with much higher velo loads than 22LR. The vertical dispersion is from variations occurring in muzzle/exit velo.
You can see this for yourself on Jaia's thread here on '50 at 200', pic and data heavy but easy to read.

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Btw, we have found SV is better, as expected, for wind drift than HV but the 'transition effect' no. That is a phenom associated with much higher velo loads than 22LR. The vertical dispersion is from variations occurring in muzzle/exit velo.
You can see this for yourself on Jaia's thread here on '50 at 200', pic and data heavy but easy to read.
gcrank1- Help me out here- because every time Iíve tried HV ammo @ 200, Iíve had really erratic groups with keyholes & all kinds of dispersion.
If most HV ammo is say, 1200-1250fps, Mach is 1125, and most ballistic charts show ammo with a starting velocity of 1250 passing 100 yards @ 1050, then the transition has been passed... So is it just not having that much of an effect with a lower starting velocity, or smaller bullet?

Iím not saying youíre wrong or trying to contradict you, Iím truly just trying to understand.

Hereís a ballistic chart on the OPs rifle, a 1022:

http://ruger1022.com/docs/22lrballistics.htm

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I concur with Jaia's opinion that the big problem with HV 22RF is that there is not enough quality control. It is intended to be hunting ammo for average users at about 50yd. not target shooters, especially at long range (and 200 yd is long range for 22RF). About any ammo at 25yd will shoot braggin groups, 50 sorts out the worst, 100 shows that a lot of that still good for 50 is no good at 100. From 50 on out it is wind, mirage, alignment of the planets odd lots in certain rifles and good lots of SV ammo. I grant that some lots of HV seen to do decently in certain guns, but about the time you get a braggin group going most will throw unaccountable and uncalled flyers.
We havent seen any evidence of real keyholes, though with slow enough bullets there are dropping fast out there in the parabolic so you might see a little oblong, same thing happens in real long range shooting in highpower. Think about the bullet arcing in, spinning stabilized, hitting the apex in height and coming in for a landing, more like a plane than a rock.
We are a friendly scrum o' Scoundrels but some pretty decent range/comp cred and nobody uses HV for the 200yd matches. We do use a pretty fair bit of the low-mid range 'match' ammo, nobody is admitting using 10X anyway. Friendly matches, but we still like to 'do well', thus no HV.
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Yeah, my ammo safe is 90% SV. I really only keep the HV around for pest control & occasionally load a few mags if I have a new semi pistol or rifle that needs a little ďhelpĒ w/break-in.

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I've been shooting out to 350 yards, mostly with my Vudoo, but also with my 10-22.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...3#post11605023

Like others have said, you'll need a 20 or 30 MOA base for your scope. I don't remember what is on mine. I'm using a 20x SWFA scope and they have a lot of adjustment. I think I'm dialing 17 MIL of elevation at 350 yards.

GH41, It's a lot of fun. You line everything up, fire the shot, watch the impact through your scope and a couple of seconds later hear the ding. It's just a different challenge.
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it really depends on what zero you use. i use my 50y zero, then add 8MOA with the elevation turret to get out to 100 with no hold off. at that point, for both 200 and 300 i hold over. doing it this way doesnt have too stupid amount of holdover for 200, but 300 has a lot of hold over, and a little bit of wind will make 300y hits on steel challenging.

off a 100y zero, with a 1073fps lapua load, or a 1080 eley load, you will need around:

24-25 MOA (5.2-5.3 Mils) of come up for 200

45-47 MOA (11-12 Mils) of come up for 300
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it really depends on what zero you use. i use my 50y zero, then add 8MOA with the elevation turret to get out to 100 with no hold off. at that point, for both 200 and 300 i hold over. doing it this way doesnt have too stupid amount of holdover for 200, but 300 has a lot of hold over, and a little bit of wind will make 300y hits on steel challenging.

off a 100y zero, with a 1073fps lapua load, or a 1080 eley load, you will need around:

24-25 MOA (5.2-5.3 Mils) of come up for 200

45-47 MOA (11-12 Mils) of come up for 300
Clem, So your coming up 12 feet at 300? Does the bullet have enough energy left to poke a hole in the target? I remember watching a video of the VQ girl breaking an egg at long range. The hits broke the egg but just barely! Trying to wrap my head around this.
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at 300 I shoot at an old propane tank for a bbq grill. so i dont know about paper, but it doesnt really even dent the tank, and u can barely hear the hits. they kind of drop right down on to the target, assuming the wind doesnt blow them off the intended trajectory.
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Definitely need a 20moa base minimum. I love shooting out to 300 with my 10/22. It’s a different kind of challenge. I can shoot bug holes at 50 and sub moa at 100 but once you go past that it becomes a challenge. I have steel set up at 300 yards ranging from 8” to 3”. The 8 and 6 I can pretty easily on fairly calm days. I can scare the 4” and hit it now and then. The 3”, well, I’ve hit it once (it’s up there for my .308 which bangs it as easily as the 22 slaughters staples at 50) but it was more from the volume vs luck haha. I use a 4-16 vortex DB tactical, jwh bolt, KSA 18” bbl, bx trigger, and a magpul stock. It’s not a lot of money at all for a gun that’s that much %%%% fun. I get as much of a mental workout at 300 with my 22 as I do at 1000 with my 308.
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