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Old 12-31-2019, 12:10 PM
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50 Yard Vintage and Unlimited Iron Sight Matches for Jan. 2020



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This is the standard verbiage used from before, I may change some of it in the future. Like not having two classes of rifles. I don't see this as a match but a place where we as friends gather to brag about the last set of targets we shot. So shoot away. I will post scores when the format is finalized in my head.

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50 Yard Vintage and Unlimited Iron Sight Matches:

If You Are New Here . . . 50 Yard Iron Sight Matches

. . . And want to know how our Iron Sight (Globe & Peep) match rules work: Here they are:
Matches start on the first day of each month and end on the last day of the month. Scores to be reported by the last day of the month. A Score Bulletin with all competitors names raked from high to low is posted on the 4th or 5th day of the following month.

I would suggest that if you are interested in shooting this match, that you read these rules. and then: READ THEM AGAIN.
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TARGETS TO BE USED IN THIS MATCH:
We would use the NRA A 23/5 target that is also used in our other 50 yard matches.
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Note: This target is only for 50 yards. Five shots are fired at each bull for a total possible score of 200-20X.
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The "HOW TO SCORE" Graphic: See http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL238.../396365250.jpg

If you don't have a scoring gauge, better get one. They are more accurate than looking at a ragged round grease mark, and the gauge will sometimes give you an extra point.
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RULES for the Peep & Globe Limited, Light Rifle and Unlimited Iron Sight 50 yd. Match;

Make sure you read these rules! If you have any questions please ask.
Note: Rifles that are used in Vintage and Unlimited Matches shall not be scored together, but kept separate as the rules spell out.
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Classifications:
Unlimited
1.Rifles: As this is the Unlimited Class anything goes except no Rail Guns and no one-piece rests. This would include production BR rifles (Anschutz BR50 for example, the high-end Annies and Walthers), or rifles that have been fitted with BR stocks. There is no restriction to the age of the rifle.

2.There shall be no limitation on the ammunition.

3.Accessories: Bench Rest Blocks (plates attached to the accessory rail or stock) are permitted. Optical front lens are permitted but limited to 1.5X. All other accessories or shooting and range gear are permitted but limited to those listed in the Vintage Matches.

Vintage
1. Vintage shall be defined as rifles that have not been changed or modified in any way except as permitted by the following rules. No blue printing or aftermarket items (except as noted) that would allow a rifle to perform better.

2.There shall be no limitation on the ammunition except as spelled out in the overall rules.
These rules are common to all classes:

3.Stocks: Must have original stock. Or: if the stock as been modified or the original stock has been replaced with a custom, a factory stock of the same type as the original may be used. Glass bedding and pillars are allowed.

4.Barrel: Rifle must have original barrel, with no barrel tuner. The factory barrel may be shortened and recrowned. Rechambering is not allowed. Bloop tubes are not permitted.

5.Trigger: Must be mechanical. No electric or remote triggers. Trigger parts/springs or custom triggers may be installed for a light pull. Must be safe.

6.Rests: Front and rear rests, not connected and filled with sand or plastic pellets. Windage and elevation adjustments are allowed on the front rest. BiPod front rest allowed. A large single sand bag of the "Bulls Bag" type would be allowed.

7.Ammunition is shoot what you have unless restricted above, but NOT to exceed $16.00 per box of 50. Price will be before shipping or taxes. (No Eley Red Box, Lapua Midas or RWS R50)
Prices listed on the Champion Shooters Supply Website will be our "standard price list".
The Champion Shooters Supply website:
http://www.championshooters.com/index-ssl.html
Click on "Ammunition" on the left side of the home page.
Discontinued match grade ammunition is considered to be in the same price range as similar ammunition in current production. (No Federal 1000 A or B).
With the cost of ammunition rising: We will adjust prices in the future.

Rule change as follows;

8.RESTRICTIONS: Any rifle with a benchrest type stock or a custom action or a factory action that has been "blueprinted" will not be allowed in this class. A benchrest stock is one that has a foreend with a flat bottom, more than 2.7 inches wide, and/or has the bottom of the buttstock parallel or near parallel to the bottom of the foreend.

9.Shooters may use tube extensions on either their front or rear sights as long as they do not contain any optical magnification and the extensions do not form one solid tube between sights; i.e., there must be a distinguishable distance between the front and rear tubes making them separate.

10.Shooters may use any type or color of front sight insert (clear, amber, etc.) and after market eyepieces or discs on their rear sight (Merit, Hadley, Gehmann, etc.) as long as the inserts or discs do not offer any optical magnification.

11.You may shoot up to 4 targets each month with the same rifle. Post your best score here in this thread. If you use a second rifle you may shoot 4 more targets with the second rifle.

12.All results are to be posted in the appropriate thread in this Iron Sight Bench Rest forum. Results should identify the rifle shot, the type or brand of sights, the caliber/type of rifle, any modifications to the rifle other than simply bedding or tuning the trigger, the brand of ammo used, if the target was shot indoors or out, appropriate comments on weather conditions, and the range at which the target was shot.

13.The official monthly match dates will be from the 1st to the last day of the month. Please try to get your scores posted by the first day of the following month. An official score bulletin will be posted on the 4th or 5th of the following month. This match period starts March 1 and ends December 31, 2010.

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Other rules that apply are General Rules for the RFC On-Line Matches.
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14.From the front edge of the bench to the face of the target: 50 yards.

15.A maximum of 20 minutes is allowed to fire all sighter shots and five shots at each of the 4 record bulls per target.

16.If a rifle fits the rules for more than one rifle class, you may enter the rifle in each of those classes. Before you start a target, you write the rifle class on the target and enter that score in that rifle class. Do not enter that score in more than one match. You may shoot a maximum four targets per month in each rifle class where the rifle fits the rules. Post your best score(s) in the correct match thread for the month.

17.You may shoot on an indoor range from December to March. If you shoot indoors: Type (INDOORS) at the beginning of the third line of your score report. Because it is HOT in our Southern States in the Summer (And in Australia and South American,in our winter): Anyone who has access to a 25 and or 50 yard indoor range, may shoot the RFC matches INDOORS, as long as they indicate "INDOORS" in their score reports."

18.Junior Shooters: The minimum age of a young person allowed in these competitions will be determined by the parent. A Junior shooter is a young persons who has not reached the age of 18. If your are a Junior: Type (Age 14): Or whatever your age, at the end of the first line of your score report.

19. We will now keep track of your scores and they will be applied towards your ranking. Only the highest score would be counted for the Month like in the past. I let shooters shoot 4 targets. I posted the first score that was turned in. If he or she shot a higher score I removed the first score from his record and posted the new higher score. Only the highest score counts for the month, as in the past. I would rather do it this way than wait till the end of the month and post everything at once. So the spread sheet could show 4 scores listed but only the highest would count.

20. You need 3 qualifying targets in any period of time to qualify for the award. But you can't do more than 1 qualifying target in any month unless you use different rifles. Remember we are trying to get shooters out and shooting.

21. Once a shooter has achieved a certain level/class, he doesn't lose that even if shooting a lower score.

There would be no averaging as it requires a lot of time and our matches are not set up for it.

I will post new sticky's by the end of the month so everything is permanent.

Classes:
Pro-Marksman 180-194
Marksman 195-198
Marksman 1st Class 199 – 200 0X thru 3X
Shapshooter 200 – 4X thru 13X
Master 200 – 14X thru 17X
Expert 200 – 18X thru 19X
Distinguished Expert 200-20X

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PLEASE enter your score and equipment information at the bottom of this thread, in this format:
EXAMPLE:
199-13x (Vintage or Unlimited) John Smith. Warren, Maine (Iron Sighter)
Mossberg Model 44US, S100 receiver and S106 front, SK std +
Hoppes front rest. Bunny ear rear bag.
EXCUSES for not shooting well.
Sunny, 38F, 10-15 mph steady breeze.
50-3x 49-3x 50-3x 50-4x
This is very important as it saves time and in the future will allow us to collate using the computer.
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You can save yourself some time and save me the trouble of reformatting your report if you save a copy the above example, then just put in your score, name, home town, state and your equipment information. Save that copy and next month you will only have to change the score (and maybe the ammo you use)

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Old 01-06-2020, 04:51 PM
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ammo pricing

I'm pretty sure the championshooters site is defunct.
Champion's Choice in Nashville is going strong if you're looking for ammo and pricing.

http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...istBody&c=APRA
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Old 01-12-2020, 06:30 PM
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Almost finished working on my Mossberg 144LSB. Finally have the trigger under 4 lbs. and lots of burrs removed to make the bolt cycle smoother. It came with one post front insert which I don't like. I posted a WTB ad for a circle insert to try and a a generous member is giving me a couple.

Looking forward to shooting again in this match. Thank you for giving it a kick-start, Chuck.

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Old 01-13-2020, 01:18 AM
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JAN 4, 2020

Rob Fates - Alamo, CA
195-4X
48-0x,48-0X,50-2X,49-2X
Remington 511, Redfield 75 rear and Lyman 20MJT front sights
Protektor front and rear bags
SK Rifle Match ammo

and

182-2X
43-1X,49-1X,49-0X,41-0X
Mossberg 144LSB, Lyman 57RS rear and 17A front sights
Same Protektor bags
Federal 711B ammo

Its been a couple of months since I shot for record. The Mossberg seemed to have inconsistent ignition and I've since torn down the bolt and cleaned its internal parts of old gunk and hardened oil.
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Old 01-13-2020, 08:27 AM
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Rob Fates - Alamo, CA
195-4X
48-0x,48-0X,50-2X,49-2X
Remington 511, Redfield 75 rear and Lyman 20MJT front sights
Protektor front and rear bags
SK Rifle Match ammo

and

182-2X
43-1X,49-1X,49-0X,41-0X
Mossberg 144LSB, Lyman 57RS rear and 17A front sights
Same Protektor bags
Federal 711B ammo

Its been a couple of months since I shot for record. The Mossberg seemed to have inconsistent ignition and I've since torn down the bolt and cleaned its internal parts of old gunk and hardened oil.
That's pretty good shooting with the Remington and hopefully the 144LSB will be helped by the cleaning. Looking forward to seeing whether mine can keep up.

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200-14X @ Indian River County Shooting Range, Sebastian, Florida 1/13/2020

Suhl 150-1, Suhl Sights
CMP Eley Bulk Ammunition.
Cowan Front Rest, Protekter Bags Front & Rear
75 degrees, Sunny, Winds 5-10 MPH

50-3X, 50-3X, 50-4X,50-4X = 200-14X

Just realized that I have shot this format for over 10 years now.

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200-14X @ Indian River County Shooting Range, Sebastian, Florida 1/13/2020

Suhl 150-1, Suhl Sights
CMP Eley Bulk Ammunition.
Cowan Front Rest, Protekter Bags Front & Rear
75 degrees, Sunny, Winds 5-10 MPH

50-3X, 50-3X, 50-4X,50-4X = 200-14X

Just realized that I have shot this format for over 10 years now.
And you haven't lost a thing, young man. Still shooting excellent scores.........

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And you haven't lost a thing, young man. Still shooting excellent scores.........

Hank
Hank,

Thanks for the compliment. However, new glasses did help. Now to get this Suhl dialed in with some ammo it really likes. The Eley Bulk from CMP shoots good, but the groups leave a bit to be desired.

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Hank,

Thanks for the compliment. However, new glasses did help. Now to get this Suhl dialed in with some ammo it really likes. The Eley Bulk from CMP shoots good, but the groups leave a bit to be desired.

AJ
You'll get it figured out. The Eley bulk has done fairly well in several rifles and pistols I've used it in. Very few "fliers" compared to some of the other economical ammo. BTW, I was looking a the old scores and noticed we both shot our first posted 200-20x in 2011 so I'm not too far behind you in years doing this.

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You'll get it figured out. The Eley bulk has done fairly well in several rifles and pistols I've used it in. Very few "fliers" compared to some of the other economical ammo. BTW, I was looking a the old scores and noticed we both shot our first posted 200-20x in 2011 so I'm not too far behind you in years doing this.

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Hank,

I have a feeling this rifle (Suhl) has tastes for the "higher priced spread". I have some different brands to try on the shelf. However, on Thursday I will be trying out a Martini 12/15 that I picked up for $150. Would like to get it to shoot a 200-?X if possible.

We have been at this for a while. Hopefully we will turn in some more 200-20X's in our future.

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International rear w/Merit, Olympic front
SK Plus
United Sportsman Club, Iron Mountain, MI
49-3x, 49-1x,50-4x,50-5x=198-13x

Temperature today 26deg w/4-8mph wind.
Had 8-10” of nice fluffy snow today but about as warm and low wind as we get in da Yoop. Was shooting in light snow which may have cost a couple of nines, I called interference on this first two bulls!

Played around with sight picture a little today. Much improved with machining a new light shield out of Delrin as well as the Delrin slip on for front globe, nice clear black bull now. We used to make the front globe surrounds for use with Friendship cheaters for open sight matches. They worked so well all matches were shot this way and it was legal. Back sight was a standard aperture with hole plugged and a .050 slit all the way to outside of aperture. Front had to be a post and globe was legal. The white surround gave contrast to the slit rear. This setup was also far less subject to light changes when a big fluffy cloud rolled in.
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Great shooting, Lon. I wouldn't even stick my nose out the door in weather like that. The work on the sights is paying off also it seems. Getting the correct amount of light for ones vision is critical for a decent sight picture and looks like you have it figured out.

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Thanks, Hank, was beginning to think the M12 didn’t shoot nines, fooled me twice! The 200 yards to and from bulls in knee deep snow is getting rough another three inches fell during the night. The snow that falls here stays till May. Oddly enough even at -20 it is not cold unless windy due to the low humidity.
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WBLON: What is the effect/purpose of the delron discs surrounding the rear sight aperture and front sight? I'd love to find a way of improving my sight picture. My vision is such that the only way I've found so far is to use a larger front aperture to let in more light around the bull. On some cloudy days I can't even see the bull at 50 yards.
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For the rear Merit disk I machined the delrin due to the rubber falling off original. It is also deeper than the rubber giving better shade. The front white surround brightens the bull and also acts as a third reference for cheek placement, ring centered in aperture, front aperture centered on bull.
My Merit is almost full open usually and clicked until the blackest bull can be obtained. Front aperture is big as well with a 2-3” white surround of bull. When adjusted properly your bull should show a bright white and blackest bull. You can also fudge for wind better with a larger front aperture.
Years ago a retired Major that ran a sniper school shared a sighting exercise with his fellow shooters that were willing to listen. His exercise would eliminated several in his school as capable shooters during his first few days of instruction. The lessons we learned helped all involved in grouping , sight picture, the effects of wind and mirage. I don’t know if the bull on a stick is a published article or not.
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