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Old 09-02-2019, 04:45 PM
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What is the difference between the Volquartsen Scorpion and the black mamba pistols?
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Old 09-03-2019, 01:16 AM
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Scorpion is based off of the MKIII Ruger design, but with all VQ parts. You could buy just the LLV Volquartsen upper and put that on the Ruger MKIII factory grip frame and make a similar pistol. With the full on Scorpion though, you have Volquartsen's aluminum frame. They are nice guns.

The Black Mamba is a Volquartsen upper receiver made to fit the MKIV series pistols mated to a Ruger 22/45 factory frame with the push button takedown design. The frame has the Volquartsen trigger internals and probably the magazine release replaced with Volquartsen parts. You could in essence build your own "Black Mamba" from a factory Ruger gun by buying the upper receiver and trigger kit (the less expensive route). The benefit you would have over building one up yourself would be full VQ support, though they tend to go out of their way to help when their parts are involved most of the time (all of the time in my experience).

Neither below is a Black Mamba. Both just pieced together from Ruger frames and VQ uppers and trigger kits.

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Old 09-03-2019, 01:21 AM
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Also, the Scorpion (MKIII) receiver has a more shouldered look than the LLV-4 (MKIV), and the bottom rail is optional/detachable vs. the permanently machined rail on the LLV-4.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:53 PM
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I have a scorpion and I'm waiting on my 22/45 tactical to come in to mod out.

I like my VQ from my gun snob persona but its HEAVY!!! So I'm building the 22/45 with a Tac Sol 4.5 inch barrel to match my Tac Sol 10/22. Not sure what I'll do with the tactical barrel.

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Old 09-04-2019, 12:55 AM
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I'm hoping you have a use for it, because if I was buying one just to be donor for a new upper, the Tactical is like $100 more than just a basic 22/45 and you're ending up with the same frame. But I guess with the MKIV platform, you can always swap back and forth.
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:20 PM
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That was the plan to have two different uppers. I kept missing out on frames from a website I follow that splits them up. Someone like Polymer 80 needs to make them!

Did you all see the new integral suppressor Tac Sol Mrk IV upper? Let me add it to the list... lol

Also if VQ ever makes a frame...

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Old 09-06-2019, 08:49 PM
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If VQ makes a frame, then there's zero reason for anyone to chime about the MKIII ever again. I'll already take my Frankenruger MKIV VQ over any MKIII/MKII (yes 10" as well), or MKI ever made unless it was some collector's item I could sell for a good chunk and then buy another of what I already have.
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:02 AM
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Black mumba choice?

4 inch or 6 inch black mamba?
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:28 AM
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4" if you intend to use a red dot. 6" if you intend to use the sights in a major capacity. I have 2 Ruger pistols with 4.5" VQ uppers. I have sights on both, but never use them. If I did, I'd rather have the extra sight radius. Since I don't, a non issue. But if I did....
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