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Old 07-23-2019, 10:41 AM
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Just work with a springer air rifle for a bit. EVERY subtle nuance of inconsistency will be amplified (and possibly make you feel inadequate to the task).
Imo, IF you can shoot a decent quality springer well it will translate into better rim fire shooting.
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Old 07-23-2019, 12:29 PM
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I can hit it 35 and 45 yards with a Springer on a regular basis open sights

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Old 07-23-2019, 01:19 PM
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Just what is 'it', a quarter or.....?
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Old 07-23-2019, 01:40 PM
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All things being equal, weight of the rifle, trigger pull, etc anything you do with an air rifle will translate into better groups with rimfire and centerfire rifles

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Put 9X springer scope on it and see how well you do offhand
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:31 PM
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Im running a 4x AO on the old RWS 45 .177 and a 2-7 AO at 7 on the HW97K 22cal..
The 4x is no where near as disconcerting 'cause I dont see my wiggle as much but I know it is still there
But I do shoot a 9x offhand in a 1918 Springfield 30-06 and have held my own with the boys I shoot with in the cast bullet mil-surp matches.

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Just what is 'it', a quarter or.....?
If I don't hit "it" I'm embarrassed....
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With a springer you do an "artillery hold". You can probably do the same with a .22 LR. Don't think it needs to be held too tightly.
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What is artillery hold?
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That's all well and good but what if you are shooting standing up? He doesn't address off hand shooting. I rarely shoot a pellet gun off a bench, only standing.
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Back when we shot muzzleloaders in competition we learned that if someone was good with a percussion cap ignited rifle did not not mean they would be good right off with a flintlock. The typically slower lock time and impact of flint upon the frizzen translated into 'thrown shots'.
Similar was often seen with good cartridge gun shooters who tried muzzleloaders, the skill with 'modern' guns gave a sense of controls familiarity but not immediate high scores/good groups.
Pneumatic or PCP air guns are closer to 22lr firearms, but springers no, too much going on inside to kick that pellet out, and the recoil impulse is opposite (on most). The even slower barrel time means follow through is even more critical than slow muzzleloaders.
Offhand doesnt show the inherent accuracy of the rifle as much as the skill of the shooter (Ive repeatedly seen a variety off the shelf rifles beat expensive custom guns).
But the mantra is always,"do the same thing perfect the same way over and over".
Offhand or bench, but the bench gets rid of the big 'wobble issues' and brings the focus in to the little things that one usually is not aware of.
Subtle changes in sitting position, hold, cheek to stock, eye in the same place behind the scope; ie, 'consistency' has rather big changes in poi. Bad enough with cartridge guns, but take someone that is getting decent on the bench with cartridge that thinks they are pretty consistent and put 'em on a springer; . Any and Everything is amplified with the springer.
If you shoot a pneumo or PCP it is much more cartridge like; ie, 'too easy'.
Then throw in a little (or any, really) wind and use of any bulk packed pellets (regardless of the word 'match' on the can), varying head dia.s and skirts, obvious chambering pressures to seat on top of the subtle (and not so subtle) shooter inconsistencies in a springer and be humbled.

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Isn't that covered under "if I do my part" it's all very simple like carving a wooden duck. Just carve away everything that doesn't look like a duck.
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Im running a 4x AO on the old RWS 45 .177 and a 2-7 AO at 7 on the HW97K 22cal..
The 4x is no where near as disconcerting 'cause I dont see my wiggle as much but I know it is still there
Those vintage 45s are sweet honeys of a rifle. I have one pretty much as you describe above, mine has an 86 receiver stamp. I used it as a vermin eradicator for quite a few years when my Brother had a homing pigeon coop in backyard. Smoking a cigarette in backyard and waiting for mice to cross the power lines - climb in trees - wander the house roof, it was a fun time for me (not so much for the mice ) The scoped rifle at right, the other is an iron sighted Mendoza RM-200.

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