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Old 02-27-2019, 09:51 PM
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Supposing someone manufactured a 22wsm rifle.
Being rimfire who would produce the ammuntion?
Winchester? CCI? Aguila? Just thinking....

They do so well with 22wmr, right?
The only good Win rf ammo I've shot in the last couple decades was 17WSM.
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As a general statement, I would say a .22 WSM won't happen unless more people buy the .17 WSM products, and the biggest obstacle to that seems to be lack of a quality bolt action at a reasonable price...at least that's what everyone says, right? The old chicken and egg thing.

Even if a .22 WSM were to appear, I can just hear the familiar chorus: "It will never survive; It's another 5mm Rem; they should have made it a .20; the ammunition is too expensive; I can load down my .220 Swift; the rifles will be relegated to tomato stakes."

If they make one, I will buy it.

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Old 02-28-2019, 05:18 PM
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Hmm, 33,000psi rated case with a 22cal 35gr Hornady Vmax would give ? fps. Someone with a ballistic program, help.
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:24 PM
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I didn't bother to read the whole post, but I'm pretty sure 22-250 is where it's at
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:26 PM
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And for hypothetical rounds mit as well neck down 308 or 06 to push 20 cal
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:46 PM
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TBR is psychic .
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:00 PM
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One would say with the science of probability and knowing the wildcatting folks' abilities, that 20 and 22 versions are out there in private hands; or at least been pondered or even tried out. Tis one thing to neck up to another caliber, make dies, do a chamber with the 17 version followed by a 20/22 neck reamer; and use it for one's own needs/wants. Could be unforseen issues in relative brass strengths, pressures/powders etc etc in doing such, I have no idea. Tis too late for me anyway; no real time.

For a company to get it ready for production.........well, there are a lot more physical and liability hoops there.

17 hmr styled cases were seen before the entry into the market in some circles, not sure why I would think that other guys (wsm cases in hand)would be thinking and doing.............remember the mauser that came to market early in 17 hmr but the ammo did not appear....? To get to production takes a lot of coordination...........and support.

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Old 02-28-2019, 06:42 PM
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The 17WSM case is a 27Cal nail gun case. To be more accurate , developed from a 27Cal nail gun case.

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Old 06-16-2019, 07:10 AM
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I really doubt they'd make it...

Looks to me like Winchester didn't fare to well with the 17wsm. I wouldn't call it an embarrassment all the way around, but might be a close call.

Dont get me wrong, I'd love a laser beam accurate 17WSM. The truth is it really needs to go back to driving nails into concrete.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:25 PM
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The current crop of Bmag 17WSM rifles are a far cry from the rollout fiasco. The near complete lack of complaint threads can"t be wrong.
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I sort of doubt Winchester will be doing any more new cartridges for a while. FN seems to be a lot more conservative this way then Winchester was prior.... And never mind that the last few Winchester cartridge roll outs over the last 30 years have been unmitigated train wrecks.

I think what they need to do is continue to build their reputation back up as a maker of fine firearms so people will take them seriously again. They managed to do an amazing job of ruining perhaps the finest name in American firearms with their combination of horrible quality and atrocious new product roll outs...
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To answer OPs question, l think it could happen, but probably depends on how successful the the 17 wsm. becomes.

There are distinct advantages for these rimfires on steroids. The states that have restrictions on center fires and cost for ammo. Yes, if you reload the cost of ammo is pretty much a non factor, but a lot of people don’t!

I remember when some said the 17 hmr. cal. will never last and for target shooting it’s probably not the best, but has become a very successful hunting cal.

I have used the 17 hmr. and 22 mag. on numerous PD and squirrel shoots and prefer them over the center fire, except for long distances. I recently bought and shot a 17 wsm. on our last PD shoot and was really, really impressed. I had my 17 Hornet, but never felt l needed it and the 17 wsm. far exceeded the 17 hmr.

If some more gun manufacturers would jump on board with the 17 wsm. it would probably help though. “BUT WAIT” maybe the 22 wsm. Is what their waiting for.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 06-17-2019, 11:29 AM
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I think it makes pretty good sense why many "Back east" states have the regulations they do - people are hunting on small properties near houses and stray bullets hitting people in their houses is a real concern.

I think once you understand that - it can be a whole lot easier to figure out what would be a good candidate to go after and what wouldn't... From that perspective - a rimfire version of a 22-hornet is less likely to be approved where a single shot or non-semi auto rifle running standard pistol cartridges like 38 spl, 9mm, and 45 acp is more likely to be approved..
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The current crop of Bmag 17WSM rifles are a far cry from the rollout fiasco. The near complete lack of complaint threads can"t be wrong.
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I sort of doubt Winchester will be doing any more new cartridges for a while. FN seems to be a lot more conservative this way then Winchester was prior.... And never mind that the last few Winchester cartridge roll outs over the last 30 years have been unmitigated train wrecks.

I think what they need to do is continue to build their reputation back up as a maker of fine firearms so people will take them seriously again. They managed to do an amazing job of ruining perhaps the finest name in American firearms with their combination of horrible quality and atrocious new product roll outs...
And there's that. Remington diddled their pooch the same way cutting corners and putting out arms and ammo with poor QC with nothing but $$ as their goal. sad!

Then again Savage surprised us all with the 17WSM so anything is possible eh?
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I for one would love to have a 22WSM but it has to be in a nice rifle...I was really excited when the 17WSM was first on scene and I went to the Shot show to check out Savage's new rifle...because the 17WSM in my eyes was supposed to be the icing on the cake for hunters who already had the 17HMR and the 22mag rifles that wanted a really nice gun to top off their collection with a rimfire that had more power and range. I was hoping that Savage would have put their new round into something like this:

the savage 93 classic rifles...I have one in 17hmr and 22mag in back one in 17WSM would have been great.


But what I saw turn me off big time...I have not looked at the new crop of Savage rifles...but they did only have one at the 2019 Shot show which was a thumbhole model and nothing else. A regular stocked rifle was what I was looking for...but you can't sell what you don't show. It was so sad because I was ready for one. I would love for CZ to come out with one in a 527 which is not any bigger than my 452/455 rifles. Yes I do have the 17 hornet and 2x 22 Hornets rifles but would love to have a rimfire cartridge with about the same power in 22caliber....I think that would work for me.

Just my opinion.

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