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Sharps-Nut 12-14-2006 11:56 AM

Charles Daily same as cz, (as accurate)
 
I have been reading all the posts on how out of the box accurate the cz 22 rifles are and have had an interest. A buddy of mine bought one last year at a show, long barrel orange wood looks like a russian moisin nagant, but oh my god accurate. Well the other day I visited a little gun shop and he had a charles daily 22 bolt gun looked like it was made by cz. Walnut wood shorter barrel than my buddies but same sights and nice workmanship. It was priced at 199.00 Are they any good? Shooters like the cz or an unknown? Thanks for any thoughts. Steve

Vincent 12-14-2006 11:59 AM

They are very good little rifles. They will no longer be marketed as "Charles Daly" because Reminton has bought the rights and it will be marketed as a Remingtong #5 I beleive in a different stock.

recumbent 12-14-2006 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent (Post 1242346)
They are very good little rifles. They will no longer be marketed as "Charles Daly" because Reminton has bought the rights and it will be marketed as a Remingtong #5 I beleive in a different stock.


The are NOT made by the same CZ as the ones we discuss on this forum

j.r. guerra in s. texas 12-14-2006 01:06 PM

Correct - the Charles Daly / Kassnar / CZ99 rifles
 
. . . are made by the manufacturer Zastava, a 'sister' company of CZ. Remember the Interarms Mark X, Whitworth and more during the 70's and 80's? Same folks - nice guns.

I'd still rather have an original CZ or Brno though. Just my prejudice speaking. :t

bsawers 12-14-2006 01:31 PM

CZ, Brno and Zastava confusion
 
I spoke with CZ-USA and the current corporate structure is this:

CZUB (Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod) owns Brno Rifles which bought the assets of Brno factory.

CZ stands for Ceska zbrojovka which means Czech arms factory. Uhersky Brod and Brno are two towns in the Czech Republic (before Czechoslovakia). Brod means ford.

There is no connection with Zastava, which is a Serbian (before Yugoslav) conglomerate which makes everything from firearms to automobiles. Zastavas exported to the United States were branded Yugos.

j.r. guerra in s. texas 12-14-2006 01:56 PM

Thanks for correcting me bsawyers . . .
 
Zastava is a Yugoslavian gun company, not Czechoslavakian - your post 'jiggled' my memory banks. :) One of my child hood friends has a Mark X .25-06 that had a bluing job that hurt to look at in the full soon - like a mirror. :cool:

Sharps-Nut 12-14-2006 02:46 PM

Now you did it
 
You done went and scared me out of buying it. Dog gone it I thought I had done went and found something for a bargain. That cz brno that my buddy has is a shooter and I cnat see risking paying within 25 buck of what he paid for something that may not deliver. So much for a merry Christmas gift for me. Thanks for all the input I learned something. Sharps-Nut

Passinby 12-14-2006 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharps-Nut (Post 1242511)
You done went and scared me out of buying it. Dog gone it I thought I had done went and found something for a bargain. That cz brno that my buddy has is a shooter and I cnat see risking paying within 25 buck of what he paid for something that may not deliver. So much for a merry Christmas gift for me. Thanks for all the input I learned something. Sharps-Nut

Might be a good thing. CDNN has them new for $139. $10 shipping

aom22 12-14-2006 06:17 PM

ZASTAVA - Charles Daly - REMINGTON
 
Dear Charles Daly patrons:
Quote:

One of the first changes you will notice is that we are no longer importing any products from Zastava of Serbia. All of our Mauser and Mini-Mauser bolt action rifles, barreled actions and actions as well as our Superior II rimfire rifles and the ZDA pistols are now discontinued. Zastava has decided to join with Remington Arms for now, so in the very near future you should be able to purchase Mauser (Remington Model 798), Mini-Mauser (Remington Model 799) and Zastava rimfire rifles (Remington Model Five) for approximately 10% more than you were paying for the Charles Daly brand. We don’t think Remington will be selling actions or barreled actions but that remains to be seen. We do know that Remington will not be selling the ZDA pistol.
Charles Daly introduces the new Superior II line of bolt-action rimfire rifles.
http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/fi...%20Romance.jpg
Superior II Bolt Action Rimfire Large.jpg


ZASTAVA MP22 R
http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/images...uzje/15401.jpg


aka:Charles Daly: Superior II Bolt Action Rimfire Rifle *DISCONTINUED**
http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/it...ewithsites.jpg
CDNN Sports, Inc.: 2005-6 Catalog, Page 25


aka: REMINGTON Model Five.™
http://www.remington.com/images/prod...smsil_five.jpg

triggerjerk 12-14-2006 08:15 PM

FWIW, Gun Tests recently tested a Remington Model Five against a CZ 452 and
the CZ won:bthumb:

Passinby 12-14-2006 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triggerjerk (Post 1242813)
FWIW, Gun Tests recently tested a Remington Model Five against a CZ 452 and
the CZ won:bthumb:

Was it twice as good? as is the price.

brewmonkey 12-14-2006 09:31 PM

Steve,

I have the CZ 99 Precision, which is the same as the Charles Daley and love it. My buddy and I were shooting fantastic groups this afternoon. I paid $149 + $10 frt and it came with a free scope. I am thinking of buying another for $139 sans the scope. It's a great deal for not a lot of mula. It has an adjustable trigger and nice grain in the walnut stock. Go ahead and get one - you'll be happy.

BrewMonkey

nevadany 12-14-2006 09:45 PM

triggerjerk,

what kind of tests?

I agree that the CZ452 is a nicer all round rifle, but don't discount the Zastava rifles. The bluing is excellent on mine, i would go as far to say that it rivals, if not surpasses my CZ452FS in .22WMR. the stocks aren't great, but managable after being refinished (+1 for CZ for not having to refinish the stock).

Accuracy is excellent also. I can't compare it to my CZ i mentioned above as they are chambered for different cartidges, but it keeps pace with my old Mossberg 46b that is dead on balls.

I am picking up a 452 trainer tomorrow or monday (whenever the truck shows up at the store), then i will have a true comparison!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...52FS-22WMR.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...SuperiorII.jpg

here are pics of my CD and CZ.

DW

triggerjerk 12-14-2006 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passinby (Post 1242840)
Was it twice as good? as is the price.

Uh, you can pick up a CZ trainer from whittaker's for $217.
I don't know where you are getting your "twice as much" figures from.
You don't need to buy an American or Varmint to get a good CZ.

SteveM 12-15-2006 06:20 AM

Hello,

I have a 28" CZ Ultra Lux and a Chas Daily Field Grade SS bolt action 22LR. In NO WAY are they similar in accuracy. The Field Grade was made in the Phillippeans (?Spelling, sorry) and is an great gun for hunting small game. I got a dealers demo model for $165 and with a $40 Simmons 3X9X40 scope I think it is terrific for what I use it for.

The CZ is used for Target shooting in local competition at my local club. It is way better than any of my custom guns, right out of the box.

If the prices are close, get the CZ, any CZ....

Regards,
Steve


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