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jes 05-08-2019 10:05 AM

Mauser 22lr question.
 
I stumbled onto a Mauser 22, I don't have photos, I would say that it's been restocked, but looks to be proffesionally done and the barrel has Ludwig Bayerl stamped on the top/center just ahead of the receiver. Add says it is a DSM34 sporter. All in all, it is a very attractive single shot sporter. I have a couple questions, 1st, anyone know who Ludwig Bayerl is/ was? 2nd, what would be a fair/reasonable price for an altered Mauser 22? I assume all collectors value is gone, but I like old single shot sporters and this rifle kind of caught my eye, I just don't want to take too much of a bath on it. Thanks in advance.

gewehrfreund 05-08-2019 11:03 AM

It sounds like it might be a very nice German sporterized DSM34. Too bad we can't see some pictures . . . . :(


The name is undoubtedly that of the gunsmith who did the custom work on it, and presumably a known (in Germany) professional if so marked.


If done well, and if the rifle is by one of the common makers of the DSM34 (Mauser, etc.)and not one of the rarer producers, the value could well be as much or more than an original. But impossible to put a value on it without pictures, some history and knowing what things like this bring in your area of Canada.


If you like/want it and can get it for less than $500CDN, I'd say go for it.:bthumb:

jes 05-08-2019 11:55 AM

Thank you for your response gewehrfreund, it is manufactured by Mauser and to me really looks quite nice and yes, I do like and want it.

jes 05-09-2019 02:59 PM

I still haven't committed to this "Bubba'd" DSM, but I have another question, have any of you scoped one of these rifles? If so, how did it work out, did you have to mount it too high to be comfortable? It's not an original rifle so I'm not opposed to scoping it, my eyes don't do so well with open sights anymore. Also, I've never actually handled one of these rifles, how are they for function, feeding, extraction, ejection, typical accuracy with ammunition they like? Any opinions? Information? Thanks in advance.

dbuffington 05-10-2019 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jes (Post 11474791)
I still haven't committed to this "Bubba'd" DSM, but I have another question, have any of you scoped one of these rifles? If so, how did it work out, did you have to mount it too high to be comfortable? It's not an original rifle so I'm not opposed to scoping it, my eyes don't do so well with open sights anymore.

At my age, I feel your pain :eek: but I should add that the sights on the various DSMs I've handled and owned have been simple and simply wonderful. Big, sharp and easy to align.

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Originally Posted by jes (Post 11474791)
Also, I've never actually handled one of these rifles, how are they for function, feeding, extraction, ejection, typical accuracy with ammunition they like? Any opinions? Information? Thanks in advance.

IMHO ... The DSMs are some of the finest rimfires ever made, if not in appearance, certainly in function. And accuracy? This is a five-shot, 50-yard group shot with the old, Lapua-made Wolf Match Target:

http://www.buffingtonassociates.com/...T_25y_crop.jpg

And that was with the stock sights and 60-year-old eyes.

Enjoy!
Dave

dbuffington 05-10-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jes (Post 11473379)
I stumbled onto a Mauser 22, I don't have photos, I would say that it's been restocked, but looks to be proffesionally done and the barrel has Ludwig Bayerl stamped on the top/center just ahead of the receiver.

FYI ...

https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns...hp?item_id=448

BobSc 05-10-2019 11:20 AM

Many of these Mauser contract rifles became available after WWII and later and weren't exactly treated well. Years ago I saw crates of them just thrown into the box and in very poor condition once they were received over here.
I bought an Erma with a damaged stock, sights missing, and a broken extractor for very cheap money. A buddy of mine made me an extractor (and about a dozen more for sale) and I made up a stock for it out of an old walnut root burl I had laying around. I also had the sight bases removed and had it polished and high gloss hot blued. Made up some scope mounts from Leupold gunsmith bases that fit the action radius perfectly.

It is one of my prized possessions now and I doubt I would sell it for 10 times what I have in it....

Bob

jes 05-13-2019 10:48 AM

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Well thanks for the information and general feedback guys, I appreciate it. I bit the bullet this morning and made the call, rifle should be here in about a week. I'm sure I paid too much, but I decided I wanted it and it's not a rifle that you can walk down to the local LGS and buy any day, if you miss it, you miss it. I hope I can mount a scope reasonable low on it. I would like to put an old Lyman Perma-center or maybe a B&L, neither would be period correct, but I think they would look and work alright, will see when it gets here.

TEDDY BEAR RAT 05-13-2019 11:05 AM

Looks like a very nice rifle, the build quality of which would not be attempted today: forged receiver and one-piece bolt, mini-M98 cocking piece, etc...superb quality.

No one commented on the scope mounting issue, but it will be a problem. First, unlike the later 340B and 350B models, the 34s were not dovetailed for sights/scope rings, but, even if yours does have some means of attaching scope bases, the bolt handle, and to an even greater extent, the flag safety, will not clear a scope ocular unless it is mounted in an exceedingly high position. This makes it very unwieldy and awkward. The original Mauser scope rings were extra, extra high to accommodate the bolt handle and safety, and, while cool and unique, they are not as practical as they may appear. I have seen examples with modified bolt handles and safety wings that solve the problem, but the modifications are quite extreme and detract somewhat from that original classic Mauser look.

So, not insurmountable but rather impractical in the field; shooting a scoped one from a benchrest would not require as much straining and craning of the neck.

Good luck, and please post pics.

TBR

jes 05-13-2019 11:52 AM

Thanks for the information TBR, I wondered about that. It is drilled and tapped on the rear of the receiver and has some type of base, probably for a receiver sight? Because of this and the fact that it is not all original I bought it thinking that if it required further modification I wouldn't be defacing an original DSM 34. Once done, do the alterations that you mentioned allow for reasonable scope clearance? I've been on the hunt for a classic style, single shot 22lr, to use both as a "plinker" and casual field gun, thought this one, with some work might fit the bill. I may have bitten off more than I can chew?

TEDDY BEAR RAT 05-13-2019 12:48 PM

It all depends on how low you want to go with the scope. Some judicious relief grinding on the bolt handle will probably allow an acceptably lower scope mount, but the safety would require a full-blown overhaul similar to the old, 1950-60's era low-profile Buehler safeties for the M98...and, no, the M98 ones will not work.

To do it right, and achieve a "normal" scope height, the bolt handle would need to be cut off and either drastically re-shaped and welded back on, or an after-market handle welded on. Many gunsmiths can do this, but it requires proper heat sinks and a skilled hand, and, in the end, you lose that desirable one-piece bolt. I think I have a picture of a 340B I sporterized that shows how much the bolt handle would have need to have been modified to work with a normal scope height. I ended up going with an aperture sight. I'll see if I can dig that pic up and post it.

TBR

TEDDY BEAR RAT 05-13-2019 01:23 PM

So, here's a pic viewing through what I would call normal, or medium, rings. You can see a scope in those rings would completely severe the entire bolt handle root:
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC01771.jpg

Using very high rings barely allowed clearance of the bolt handle -- not even close on the flag safety -- and this was with a 7/8" Lyman Alaskan moved as far back as I felt comfortable:
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC01776.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC01777.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC01780.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC01779.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC01778.jpg

This is how it turned out with a DST and an NECG aperture sight (sight hood not installed here):
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC02388.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC02364.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC02365.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSC02340.jpg

I hope this helps,

TBR

jes 05-13-2019 01:40 PM

When you say "not even close on the flag safety" I assume you me that you can't use the safety? It isn't close to clearing? I remember when you previously posted that rifle, beautiful, I very much enjoyed reading that thread. Would my new acquisition have a similar bolt throw and safety clearance to an MM410b, or are they totally different beasts in that respect?

TEDDY BEAR RAT 05-13-2019 02:51 PM

I mean clearing on the safety wing. In other words, it canít be rotated to the vertical position, and therefore you have no safety.
Yes, your rifle should be identical to an MM410B. There were oval ejection ports and squared off ejection ports, and then long and short extractors, but the safeties and bolt throw should be the same.There may be some minor differences, but I donít think so.

TBR

BobSc 05-13-2019 02:55 PM

TBR, you always have the most beautiful wood on your creations....

I had the same issues on my Mauser when I did it. I had a machinist friend who made me a replacement claw extractor for the bolt and a swing safety in a Buehler style but miniaturized to fit the scale of the bolt. Had the bolt handle modified to a downswept handle to clear a scope. All in all it came out very well. I will try to post some pics later if I get a chance...

Bob


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