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carlbren21 12-28-2013 12:40 PM

Winchester Model 90 pump action 22 octagon barrell. Tell me about it!
 
I just fell in love. I came accross a pump action Winchester /model 90 rifle that my grandfather in law owns and I really, really, want it. I am going to attach pictures and soo if anyone can tell me what it is worth and what I should expect to pay for it. It is just one of the coolest guns I have ever seen. So, so pretty.

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps525b6372.jpg

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/v...psd982f0f0.jpg

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What say you!???

Old Man 58 12-28-2013 01:33 PM

The rifles over all condition will determine it's value. Don't take this the wrong way but your pictures don't do a good job of representing it's condition, sorry but you need better pictures. What caliber is it? You can determine approximately when it was made by it's serial number.

BlueRidgeParson 12-28-2013 01:46 PM

As Old Man 58 says, condition is the single greatest factor when determining value.

Also, the caliber matters.
These rifles were chambered for one of four cartridges (not interchangeable):
1. 22 Short (most commonly encountered.)
2. 22 Long
3. 22 Long Rifle (least commonly found)
4. 22 WRF (Winchester Rim Fire)

Most collectors will pay a substantial premium for one chambered for 22 Long Rifle.

Also, bore condition plays a role in value. These rifles were made when both powder and priming compounds were corrosive, so they are seldom found with pristine bores. Those that have a shiny clean bore bring more money.

It looks like a keeper, from what I can see. I hope it follows you home. :D

BRP

BulletBait 12-28-2013 04:38 PM

I say compare current (with bids) values on Gun Broker. So many sellers there start sky high prices and never get bids.
Also do Google search.

pump .22s 12-28-2013 05:29 PM

As indicated....condition, condiition, and....oh yes, condition. :D

These are great old guns and were made in large numbers. Yours appears to be a third model. As said already, if it happens to be in good condition with a good bore then that is better. If chambered for long rifle (not too likely) then that is even better.

I saw your pics over in the Remington forum....can't really tell for sure from the pics but it appears that the stock may have been sanded and refinished at one time - it looks like the wood is below the metal around the tang area. If that is the case, that will lower the value. Can't really say what the value is without better quality pics showing more detail. And knowing for sure if the wood has been refinished and if the bore is good are also factors.

carlbren21 12-28-2013 06:07 PM

I'll answer the best I can...

It is 22 Long Rifle
serial is 696239

Stock and barrel haven't been refinished and are in really good shape. I shot it today. It is a sweet shooter. Anyway to figure out the date of manufacture?

pump .22s 12-28-2013 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlbren21 (Post 4840653)
I'll answer the best I can...

It is 22 Long Rifle
serial is 696239

Stock and barrel haven't been refinished and are in really good shape. I shot it today. It is a sweet shooter. Anyway to figure out the date of manufacture?

Gun was made around 1924. Being chambered for long rifle ups the value significantly....I'm thinking something like only about 10% of them were chambered for long rifle, as Winchester was late getting into that game.

Around here, they would be asking $700- $800 - up for a gun like that.....if all original and in good mechanical condition.

Old Man 58 12-28-2013 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlbren21 (Post 4840653)
I'll answer the best I can...

It is 22 Long Rifle
serial is 696239

Stock and barrel haven't been refinished and are in really good shape. I shot it today. It is a sweet shooter. Anyway to figure out the date of manufacture?

Go to oldguns.net, on the L/H side you will see a menu, go down to "Manufacture Dates" and click on "Winchester". In the "Slide Action" box click on "Model 1890" and enter your serial number.

Old Man 58 12-28-2013 07:03 PM

I just looked at the OP's pictures in the Remington forum and IIRC the Model 1890 and Model 90's had a Cresent steel buttplate. This rifle has the flat plastic shot gun style buttplate which would indicate that it's not original but I could be wrong it happens more often these days.

My Model 90 in .22 WRF.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps1f54a9d0.jpg

pump .22s 12-28-2013 07:33 PM

Hmmmmmm........that one got by me. But my wife tells me that I don't notice things anyway. She's usually referring to me not noticing something she did. :D

That stock looks like a postwar model 62A stock. If stock is not original, that would detract from the value in my opinion.

Old Man 58 12-28-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pump .22s (Post 4840766)
Hmmmmmm........that one got by me. But my wife tells me that I don't notice things anyway. She's usually referring to me not noticing something she did. :D

The flat buttplate was either off of a 1906 or a 62/62A and significantly detracts from the rifles value as a collector piece. That rifle would probably be worth more even with a replacement buttstock and buttplate on it than as it is now. As to it's current value, it's worth what someone is willing to pay for a shooter grade Model 90 or someone who doesn't care that it's not original, IMO a couple hundred bucks max.

pump .22s 12-28-2013 07:48 PM

If you'll notice the slope of the comb of the stock down to the wrist, it is more gradual than an 1890, 1906, and the early 62. My guess is that the original stock got replaced for whatever reason with a later model 62A stock.

carlbren21 12-28-2013 08:41 PM

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carlbren21 12-28-2013 08:42 PM

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BlueRidgeParson 12-28-2013 08:47 PM

The butt stock is certainly a replacement. However, a correct butt stock and crescent butt plate can certainly be found and fitted to this 1890. The good news is that this rifle should be a bit less expensive to buy because of the butt stock. The 22 Long Rifle is the most desirable caliber for the Winchester 1890. I would not hesitate to buy it were it offered to me. Good luck!

BRP


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