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fflincher 07-01-2005 12:33 PM

.17 HMR NAA Black Widow
Well, I knew sooner or later I'd end up with a .17. It's a very slightly used North American Arms Black Widow, and the dang thing shoots, like, maybe six inches high at seven yards.

Was shooting Winchester 20 grain softpoints, so I cranked the adjustable rear sight all the way down and have not noticed any change in pattern. Yes, "pattern", not "group".

Have taken the springs out of the rear sight and screwed it down as far as it'll go, but wonder if NAA just doesn't need to sell these with a taller front sight.

Not too loud, about like a .22 LR from a short barrel. I'd expected something more like a .22 magnum blast.

Does anyone else have experience with the .17 HMR in a short barrel? Maybe, in a NAA? Perhaps even a Black Widow?

Passinby 07-01-2005 03:33 PM

MMMMnnn, shouldn't you be ELEVATING the rear sight, thus forcing you to raise the barrel tip to raise your groups?

Cueball 07-01-2005 06:11 PM

Not if he's 6" high already at 7yds.

Remington Mag 07-01-2005 07:18 PM

Shooting high
By any chance has the front sight tip been broken off at some time?

Don Jackson Remington Magnum

Passinby 07-01-2005 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Cueball
Not if he's 6" high already at 7yds.

Ah, read it as low somehow... :1t

fflincher 07-04-2005 03:00 PM

Wrote prematurely, except as it might serve as a cautionary tale for others. Traded out of it this weekend at the San Antonio SAXET gun show to someone who wanted it for a belly gun, and he got a good deal on it, too.

I ended up with an FEG .22 clone of a Walther PPK.

No, the Millett front sight was not altered from the original in any way. It's dovetailed in the barrel, so I might have been able to find a taller one if I'd shopped around.

Now have a half-dozen boxes of ammo left, and will hunt for a different gun so chambered!

Ben B. 07-11-2005 10:20 PM

I'd say a .22 PPK clone sounds like more fun than a .17 mini-revolver, any day.

fflincher 07-12-2005 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ben B.
I'd say a .22 PPK clone sounds like more fun than a .17 mini-revolver, any day.

You called it exactly right, Ben!

Still have eight boxes of ammo or so, and figure the next .17 HMR won't be so exasperating. FEG was a sweetheart after the first three magazines cleared without bobble. If I can add to the height of the front sight, it might replace my PP and PPK .22s.

Pete44ru 07-30-2005 06:43 PM

.17 HMR NAA Black Widow
Since you seem to be also shooting high with the PPK clone, after the Black Widow - you might want to reconsider your sight picture. It's very probable that you're raising the front sight too much, in relation to the rear sight. After all, practice burying the front sight blade is cheaper than new guns & gunsmithing sight blades.

fflincher 07-31-2005 07:37 PM

Thanks anyway, Pete. Have been using the same sight picture since 1951, with a few notable exceptions.

First blackbird killed was with a cousin's .22/.410 Savage 24, he had it sighted with the tip of the front sight deep in the notch of the rear sight. Presently own a Colt Cobra .22 with four inch barrel, previous owner filed down the front sight, must make adjustment soon. Hy Hunter copy of Stevens Offhand has same sight picture as previously described model 24, except there's a bead on top and a rounded notch to accomodate it for shots from about 20-50 yards.

Am considering a light pipe topper for the Colt and the FEG PPK clone. Still, decision's not firm until the LockTite's dry.

Back to the NAA, those Millett sights just don't look right trying to bury the front sight. Not to me, anyway.

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