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aom22 12-30-2006 04:59 PM

TOZ 78 Very Heavy Barrel: Wildcat Target/Varmint
 
Wildcat Target/Varmint

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...es/525101m.jpg
Double click image for larger view ... wait for zoom icon
Quote:

The new Wildcat Target/Varmint rifle has a highly accurate, heavy .866" diameter bull barrel.
The receiver is drilled and tapped for bases, as well as grooved for mounting a scope.
While many of today’s smallbore rifles are clunky little plinkers, the Target/Varmint has the look
and feel of a full-size hunting rifle, complete with an adjustable trigger and dual front steel
swivel studs. The pinpoint accuracy of the Wildcat Target/Varmint will make a lasting impression
from the very first shot. One 5-round and three 10-round magazines are included. (Scope not included.)

FiremanFrank 01-07-2007 07:50 PM

Anyone know when these Winchesters will be out?
 
Okay,

I am sold on this new Winchester with the heavy barrel. Does anyone know when they will be available? I like the regular TOZ rifle as well but don't like the dark wood. Can someone point me in the direction of who is selling the light wood version?

Thanks.

aom22 01-08-2007 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiremanFrank (Post 1271714)
Okay,

I am sold on this new Winchester with the heavy barrel. Does anyone know when they will be available?
I like the regular TOZ rifle as well but don't like the dark wood. Can someone point me in the direction of who is selling the light wood version?

Thanks.

Quote:

ToxicSports



Zanders sent me a reply about the availability of the Wildcat.



Quote:

we don't have any idea when we will see them, they kept promising the Winchester Wildcat 22lr sporter to us by September
and we haven't seen those yet, now they are saying Feb/March on those.
TS


Classic Arms Inc.
http://www.classicarms.us/toz78jpeg.gif

Macc 01-29-2007 01:49 PM

Hey, thanks for the links to this great site. :bthumb:

aom22 03-18-2007 04:53 PM

Related Scope Threads
 
More telescopic sight related threads:


What scope type for TOZ 78

Scope For a Biathlon Basic

Burris Scope on BB

Full Length weaver rail

What Rings for TOZ 78?

Toz 78 scope ring

Who has a Mueller APV on their Biathlon?

frupertapricot 03-18-2007 10:56 PM

anyone else see the irony here (mostly related to the winchest 1895 rifle)

aom22 03-19-2007 03:10 PM

Winchester Irony?
 
Winchester 1895 Russian Musket 7.62 mm Caliber
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...chester/00.jpg

Wildcat Bolt Action 22
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...er/525100m.jpg


Do you think the KGB would be interested in this model ... for covert operations?
Model 1895 Takedown, Limited Series
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...er/534127m.jpg

aom22 03-29-2007 04:22 PM

30 mm & 1 inch Rings - Improved TOZ-78 Mount by EST
 
These are questions I emailed to Kalinka Optics Warehouse®. And, the responses I've received.


I have been trying to locate the telescopic mount shown on the TOZ 78 SOUVENIR
Can you identify the scope and mount shown in the image?
If you can, do you sell the scope and mount?

Quote:

The mount is improved version of TOZ-78 mount made by our partner EST.
We will be able to offer these improved mounts in the beginning of
next year.
As for scopes, they are PO 4x32 Pilad. You could find them there
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=50.
Fell free should you ask any other questions.

Best regards,

Andrew Kozlov
Kalinka Optics Team

What is the website for your partner EST?
Quote:

Unfortunately, they don't have web-site.

Improved See-Thru Mount by EST

EST Gen 2 Russian TOZ 78, TOZ 99, BE 7 Top Mount w/ 30 mm Rings
This thread for 1 inch (26mm) rings

Quote:

This great top mount is manufactured by the well-known EST factory,
one of the main suppliers to the Tule Arsenal AK factory. The mount is designed
for the popular TOZ 78, TOZ 99 and BE 7.
This mount has never been available in
the West until now and is very difficult to find even in Russia. This is an updated
design just released in 2007. The mount places your optic directly on the
center-line of the rifle and keeps your scope low for ideal cheek weld.
Manufactured from weapons-grade steel to last a lifetime.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a78d_2_600.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a78d_3_600.jpg

According to the diagram from Kalinka Optics
the mounting rail width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a78d_1_600.jpg

j.r. guerra in s. texas 03-29-2007 04:28 PM

Now THATS exactly what I was looking for!
 
Thank you Aom22 - thats the mount I was hoping to find. I'll contact Kalinka and find out when these mounts can be expected to be in country. Far out!

aom22 04-02-2007 12:41 PM

1 inch (26mm) - Improved TOZ-78 Mount by EST
 
Improved See-Thru Mount by EST


EST Russian TOZ 78, TOZ 99, BE 7 Top Mount w/ 1" Rings)

Quote:

This great top mount is manufactured by the well-known EST factory,
one of the main suppliers to the Tule Arsenal AK factory. The mount is designed
for the popular TOZ 78, TOZ 99 and BE 7.
This mount has never been available in
the West until now and is very difficult to find even in Russia. This is an updated
design just released in 2007. The mount places your optic directly on the
center-line of the rifle and keeps your scope low for ideal cheek weld.
Manufactured from weapons-grade steel to last a lifetime.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...la78_1_600.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...la78_3_600.jpg

According to the diagram from Kalinka Optics
the mounting rail width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...la78_2_600.jpg

rigormootis 06-06-2007 09:21 PM

Folks - if/when this Wildcat does actually see the light of day, does anyone know is it's magazines are identical to the TOZ 78 mags?

Nukem140 06-07-2007 04:54 PM

I can confirm that the win/TOZ is seeing the light of day. I held one at Gander mountain in Charleston WV today. The wood is nicer than on my TOZ 78-1 and the bolt is nickel or stainless. I think the wood is beech stained to look walnut though. The receiver and barrel are both stamped TOZ and Winchester is "electrocut" into the rear left side of the receiver. The bolt is loose when in the back position just like the TOZ. Sights are much like a 10-22. While the paddlewheel isn't exactly pretty on the TOZ, I prefer it over the new sights. Basically the same gun with a few cosmetic improvements but nothing struck me as better quality as far as machining. I was not able to see/hold a clip. The clerks were backed up and I wasn't willing to wait just for a look. I will say that I'm glad I got the TOZ for $100 instead of the Win. They made maybe $50 worth of cosmetic improvements and are charging $179 more........:eek:

aom22 06-07-2007 05:51 PM

Winchester Wildcat vs TOZ 78
 
Nukem140

Are you going back to Gander Mountain anytime soon?
Have a digital camera?

If it is possible, could you post some pictures of the rifle and clip?
Sure would make a great post.

Thanks, aom22

Looter 06-07-2007 06:30 PM

magazine difference
 
The Wildcat still has TOZ-78 markings so I'd be willing to bet the mags are identical. Though it would be nice to see some improvement in that dept.

UPDATE: The Wildcat mags I bought at a gun show are essentially the same design as those for my TOZ-78, except the for one slight difference.

here's my thread on the subject:

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=212438

Nukem140 06-07-2007 09:06 PM

After re-reading my post, I must correct that the bolt handle is stainless/nickle not the whole bolt. I do have a digital Camera and will be back through Charleston once or twice in the next week. IF "IF" gander will let me take pics, I will.....I am in sales and might convince them that it will help their sales:D
If you didn't get from my first post, I'm not impressed with the new offering over the TOZ. The barrel is even stamped "made in russia" if that matters... It will take me until at least early to mid next week before I can post some pics IF they let me take them.;)

Cardboard_killer 06-08-2007 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looter (Post 1451660)
The Wildcat still has TOZ-78 markings so I'd be willing to bet the mags are identical. Though it would be nice to see some improvement in that dept.

The wildcat manual is up on the winch website for download (http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...2_wildcat.pdf). The mags in the manual look identical.

The manual also states:

"The receiver of your Wildcat rifle is grooved for standard
3⁄8" nominal rimfire scope rings. See your Winchester
Rifles and Shotguns dealer to purchase the rings designed
for this mounting system and the scope you intend to use."

Does the TOZ-78's share the same 3/8" grooves?

Princi 06-08-2007 06:44 AM

When I was in India in March, you could get 44 rupees for a US Dollar, now it is 40. My wife accidentally charged a business expense to her American Credit card. When we got the money from her company, it was $512 less than what we owed on the credit card. What happened? Weak dollar.

Winchester may find that it isn't as inexpensive to make the guns in Russia after all, but they will probably just pass the added expense on to the consumer.

I wonder if they have labor unions in Russia. Anyone know?

Incidentally, I bought my TOZ-78 from Military Gun Supply (MGS) in Fort Worth (they are sold out now). I took it home, cleaned it, and took it to the range the next day. On the way home I went back to MGS and bought another one to put a scope on it.

I didn't like the trigger on the 99, so I didn't buy one of those. (They still had one left as of last Friday.)

I love my Russian guns. (Oh for you drifters, I love my K-31 too, but the first time I shot it was off sandbags. I took aim at the target, with several people watching me, moved my head out of the way and pulled the trigger. The gun went off, and the bolt stayed in the receiver. I should have charged them an entertainment fee. )

TheJH 06-08-2007 09:01 PM

I handled one today at my local gun shop. It looked pretty nice. The mag looked the same as my TOZ but seemed to be of better quality. I like the stock, the pistol grip area is fatter. I like the sites. They wanted $178 for it.

bbgot 07-09-2007 12:43 PM

It looks like I might be the first person here to buy one of the wildcats. I bought it for $200 out the door from my local gun store. The mags are identical to the TOZ 78. I can say that the scope rail is NOT 3/8", it's slightly smaller, the only kind of rings that I could get to fit were the millett rings that tighten from both sides. I've only shot it one time but it was grouping better than my souped-up 10/22 with bulk Remington ammo. hope this helps

ToxicSports 07-09-2007 07:29 PM

bbgot,

:Welcome: to RFC. There's one rule...well it's not a rule but it's kinda like a request. We need PICS!!!! We've all seen the photos on the web but nothing of the shooting ability in terms of targets.

I have a Wildcat Target/Varmint on back order through a dealer and they have no idea when they are going to get them.

The last I heard was this fall. Yeah, that REALLY narrows it down.:rolleyes:

TS

j.r. guerra in s. texas 07-10-2007 10:39 AM

Bbgot . . .
 
. . . the Toz rail width is about 9.5 mm, but I've had good luck with the Leupold rimfire tunnel mount on mine - works like a charm. I'll post a pic of it later. Why the tunnel - why to maintain ability to shoot with factory irons - no need to remove factory sights, which would be ugly, especially the front sight.

Here tis.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...OZ78mounts.jpg

Which mount did you end up using to install your scope bbgot?

bbgot 07-10-2007 12:01 PM

sorry no pics, I don't have digital camera (spent the $ on guns). I bought the standard model Wildcat, (not the heavy barrel). I can say that the winchester was grouping smaller than 1/2" at 25 yards with iron sights and bulk ammo. I've mounted a Weaver 2.5x-7x on it since then and should be able to go shooting this week.

jmlivingston 07-11-2007 07:15 PM

Wildcat availability
 
There were a few in stock at galleryofguns.com earlier this week. When I checked they had 28 in stock, that afternoon they were down to 14 left and right now they are out again. They're listing MSRP as $229, a couple of my local dealers came up on their locater and had them at around $185.

John

bbgot 07-14-2007 02:10 PM

I just got back from vacation where I was able to get some shooting time in with the wildcat rifle. with a 2.5-7x scope on it and at 40 yds it was able to put three shots into one ragged hole a couple of times. All of the groups were smaller than 3/4". This rifle was deadly on the turtles in my stock tanks. Although I'm sad that Winchester no longer makes their own firearms in the U.S., this is a fairly high quality rifle for the money and I'm impressed with its accuracy.

canadiangunnut 09-03-2007 12:29 AM

USA Peep Sights for TOZ
 
One of the things I like about the toz78 is the hooded front sight.

It lines up nice with the Williams FPGR Peep sight I mounted on the receiver grooves.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...wn/Toz-784.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...wn/Toz-783.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...wn/Toz-782.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...own/Toz-78.jpg


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