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tcr1146 11-02-2015 03:53 PM

newbie to best ways to sharpen knives
 
For many years, I have sharpened my own pocket knives and hunting knives with mixed results! After coming to this site and reading most of the threads, I realize that I am a total neophyte! Can someone recommend a good book with the different methods, devices, and proper ways to stone sharpen, steel usage, stropping, etc! Assume I know little to nothing! Thanks, Tom

Gizzy 11-02-2015 06:08 PM

Lansky.

http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce...em/SI1100.html


I would also recommend getting yourself a 10x loupe so you can see the edge. You can rub a stone on a knife all day, but if you cannot see if you have gone all the way to the edge, you will never get it sharp. The loupe allows you to keep using one stone on one edge until you have your new edge all the way to the edge. Then turn the knife over and repeat, working your way down through all the stones. I can sharpen mine in about 5 minutes to a razor edge.

Now, if you want something fast, this thing here is awesome...

http://www.worksharptools.com/sharpe...sharpener.html

tcr1146 11-02-2015 06:36 PM

Thanks Gizzy! I have already ordered the standard Ever Sharp per you and other guy's recommendations! Mainly, because of my collection of kitchen knives that would take foreever with conventional stones! If I go the Lansky route, which model would you recommend? Tom

ferrarif1fan 11-02-2015 07:17 PM

I use the Lansky system and a 10X loupe so I can view progress to the edge. I use to sharpen freehand, meaning I just held the blade at the angle I thought was about right. The problem is that no two strokes are probably ever at the same angle. The Lansky system fixed that issue, as long as you develop a method to clamp the blade at the same position each time. When the blade becomes dull, you just clamp it at the same position, and begin making passes with whichever stone you choose until both sides of the fresh edge meet each other.

Lots of people progress down to a super fine stone to get a polished edge. I think that is fine if all you intend to do is shave with it. But if you want a decent cutting edge, the edge needs a bit of tooth to it. That's why I use a medium stone. It's like having a micro-serrated edge on your knife. It cuts easier and cuts longer than a super fine edge that dulls after a few uses.

supersharp 04-08-2016 11:41 AM

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tcr1146 The Spyderco tri-angle sharpmaker is great for beginners and allows you to sharpen blades at either 15 or 20 degrees and is available with several different sharpening stones. Another great thing about this sharpener it is great for retouching blades .I've even use this to sharpen small axes or hatchets you cannot use good system for reprofiling but for basic sharpening it works really good The Sharpener is also very portable
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bearcatter 04-08-2016 12:58 PM

I just use an Eze-Lap diamond coated flat steel, then drag the edge through a carbide sharpener to burnish it. Goghlan's makes a nice thin one with a butterfly shape.

I don't look for or want a razor edge, too fragile, just a good working edge. I've sharpened this way for years with no problem.

frozebubba 01-16-2018 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizzy (Post 5520988)
Lansky.

http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce...em/SI1100.html


I would also recommend getting yourself a 10x loupe so you can see the edge. You can rub a stone on a knife all day, but if you cannot see if you have gone all the way to the edge, you will never get it sharp. The loupe allows you to keep using one stone on one edge until you have your new edge all the way to the edge. Then turn the knife over and repeat, working your way down through all the stones. I can sharpen mine in about 5 minutes to a razor edge.

Now, if you want something fast, this thing here is awesome...

http://www.worksharptools.com/sharpe...sharpener.html

+1 on this. I also mark the blade edge with a sharpie to let me validate that the angle is correct with a brush of the fine stone.

arjay 01-16-2018 04:00 AM

I cut a small wedge of wood at 20 to help set the angle when using flat stones.after the soft Arkansas,several passes on a set of crocktix gives a pretty good edge.A leather strop with a little metal polish will make it shaving sharp

CardPuncher 01-20-2018 10:38 AM

Get the eye loupe or other STRONG magnifier. Once you can see what you're doing, you can sharpen with anything.

Running a Sharpie flat against each side of the edge is useful, too. Makes it easier to see quickly what you"re actually sharpening.

Billy02 07-19-2018 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tcr1146 (Post 5520894)
For many years, I have sharpened my own pocket knives and hunting knives with mixed results! After coming to this site and reading most of the threads, I realize that I am a total neophyte! Can someone recommend a good book with the different methods, devices, and proper ways to stone sharpen, steel usage, stropping, etc! Assume I know little to nothing! Thanks, Tom

Well everyone has suggested you, but there is another way if you have no resources, you can use a big pebble and rub both sides of blade on to it, and you will be amazed by the results.

matemike 05-20-2019 08:58 AM

Looking through a pair of binoculars "backwards" works in the place of a loupe in a pinch. But use binoculars, trying to hold or balance them is not nearly as convenient as a loupe, try and you'll see. However, I can get away with a nice 4x magnifying glass on a stand that has a built in light for checking edge progress.

flangster 05-20-2019 09:52 AM

I don't sharpen my knives all that often with stones. Mostly I just touch up the edges with a steel hone. If the hone isn't enough, then I go to a stones/ceramic rods. I have an Opinel pocket knife that I about ground away before I figured out that removal of a ton of steel from the blade is not required for a good working edge.

jac54 05-20-2019 03:32 PM

I like my lansky sticks. They are easy to keep the correct angle on and convenient to use so you can do regular touch ups and with the thinning angle and the final cutting edge angle you can keep all your kitchen knives sharp also.

truckjohn 05-20-2019 03:49 PM

Define "best"....

What do you plan to do with it?
What type of steel is your knife made of?

It sounds like a really dumb question but that first part will help point you in the right direction so that you get what you think you will be getting.

For example - "push cutting" and slicing are totally different operations. They generally require very different types of edges. These two are totally different operations from hacking, bushcraft, and run of the mill toe-picking duty....

I will give you an example.
Often edges that "push cut" well (aka shaving hairs) do not slice well. They tend to skid rather than grab in a slicing cut. Edges that slice really aggressively often don't push cut well... So you have to pick one.

I find that a Worksharp with 80 grit band followed up by a quality steel is great in the kitchen. It makes edges that slice well and is easy to fix when the wife beats the edges on a glass or tile cutting board. I consider those knives "disposable" - so I don't care if the edges get ground down over a few years.

On the other hand - my wood chisels need to push cut efficiently. I run through many grits and then strop them so they will cut off beautiful thin curls of wood....

I find the edges on my stainless steel knives last over 2x as long when I sharpen on diamond rather than on conventional stones.... BUT I get a better edge on my carbon steel knives with conventional stones...

And so it goes....
Pick your poison, there is no "Best" everything.

truckjohn 05-20-2019 05:13 PM

But if you just want to buy a product that will put a good enough edge on your blade:

A Lansky diamond sharpening system - the Deluxe kit that comes with coarse/ medium/ fine/ extra fine.

Or

A Spyderco Sharp Maker.

If you want to go run down the rat hole chasing sharpness - google up Cliff Stamp.


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