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aom22 12-19-2006 11:07 AM

VOMZ at Kalinka Optics Warehouse®
 
VOMZ (Vologda Optical-and-Mechanical Plant) sold in USA by Kalinka Optics Warehouse®.




VOMZ-Pilad P4x32
http://www.vomz.ru/img/catalog/p4_32.jpg

aka: Kalinka Optics PO 4x32 Pilade Weapon Rifle Scope w/ Duplex Reticle ( #GSPO432PD )
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/i...4x32_3_150.jpghttp://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/i...duplex_150.jpg

w/ German Post Reticle ( #GSPO432P )
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/i...4x32_4_150.jpg

w/ 1000m Dragunov Rangefinding Reticle ( #GSPO432P1000 )
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/graph/i...000m_4_150.gif



VOMZ-Pilad P4x32L (Illuminated Reticle) not shown at KO site
http://www.vomz.ru/img/catalog/p4_32L.jpg


Scope Mounts

VOMZ-Type III (steel)
For the placing of the sight P4х32 (L) on the arms "TOZ-78", " TOZ -99"
P8х48 (L), P8х56 (L) on "TOZ-78", "TOZ -99";
http://www.vomz.ru/img/catalog/type_III.jpg


VOMZ-Type VII (aluminium)
For the placing of the sight P4х32 (L), P8х48 (L), P8х56 (L)
on the arms "TOZ-78", " TOZ -99"
http://www.vomz.ru/img/catalog/type_VII.jpg



These are questions I emailed to Kalinka Optics Warehouse®. And, the responses I've received.


I have been trying to locate the telescopic mount shown on the TOZ 78 SOUVENIR
Can you identify the scope and mount shown in the image?
If you can, do you sell the scope and mount?

Quote:

The mount is improved version of TOZ-78 mount made by our partner EST.
We will be able to offer these improved mounts in the beginning of
next year.
As for scopes, they are PO 4x32 Pilad. You could find them there
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=50.
Fell free should you ask any other questions.

Best regards,

Andrew Kozlov
Kalinka Optics Team

What is the website for your partner EST?
Quote:

Unfortunately, they don't have web-site.
See: Improved TOZ-78 Mount by EST


At what is distance is the parallax of the PO 4x32 Pilad set at.
The scope will be mounted on a TOZ 78-06 .22lr rimfire.

Quote:

It was set at 100 m. So the minimal distance for clear, parallax free
picture is 50 m.

j.r. guerra in s. texas 12-19-2006 12:07 PM

Now those TOZ 78 mounts look like what I was after . . .
 
. . . I've made do pretty well with Leupold tip off see thru mounts under a mid 70's made Japanese Tasco 4x w/ heavy European reticle. I would like to find out the cost of the above mounts anyway - they look sleeker than my mounts.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...OZ78mounts.jpg

I ordered one of the Belarus 4x scopes shown above from Kalinka Optics (fast service!), but it has a 7.62x39 400 meter range finding illuminated reticle meant for centerfire shooting. Saw it in a RFC post and thought it would complement a CZ 527 7.62x39 carbine very well. The optics are rather clear for a scope costing less than $100.

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=515

aom22 12-19-2006 03:21 PM

Parallax: Rimfire vs Centerfire
 
Quote:

At what is distance is the parallax of the PO 4x32 Pilad set at.
The scope will be mounted on a TOZ 78-06 .22lr rimfire.

Quote:

It was set at 100 m. So the minimal distance for clear, parallax free
picture is 50 m.

What's the difference between a rifle scope meant for a rimfire or another
telescopic sight model intended for use on a centerfire?

Mechanically, the two optical sights maybe, almost, identical.

However, the rimfire scope maybe be parallax corrected at shorter range.
While, the centerfire scope should be parallax corrected at a greater distance.

For US optical instruments, the rimfire range is approximately 60 yards.
Fixed-power centerfire rifle scopes are, generally, parallax corrected at 150 yards.

Quote:

The Leupold Answer Guide

What is Parallax?
Parallax is essentially an optical illusion. It is the apparent movement
of the target relative to the reticle when you move your eye away from the center point
of the eyepiece. It occurs when the target does not fall on the same optical plane
as the reticle. Maximum parallax occurs when your eye is at the very edge of the exit
pupil. (Even in this unlikely event, our 4x hunting scope focused for 150 yards
has a maximum error of only 8/10ths of an inch at 500 yards.) At short distances,
the parallax effect does not affect accuracy. (Using the same 4x scope at 100 yards,
the maximum error is less than 2/10ths of an inch.)
It is also good to remember that,
as long you are sighting straight through the middle of the scope, or close to it,
parallax will have virtually no effect on accuracy in a hunting situation. For more information,
please consult our list of "frequently asked questions" at www.leupold.com/tifaq.


How are the Rimfire scopes different from the other scopes?
The Rimfire Special scopes are adjusted at the shorter parallax free distance of 60 yards
and have the Fine Duplex reticle.
The two rimfire models are:
#41129 - M8-4x28mm Compact RF(rimfire) Special, parallax @ 60 yds, Gloss finish w/Fine Duplex
#46340 - Vari-X 2-7x28mm Compact RF(rimfire) Special, parallax @ 60 yds, Gloss finish w/Fine Duplex


Can I Customize My Scope?
Yes, you can customize your Leupold scope. For years now, Leupold customers have
sent their scopes into our factory to have changes made to suit their specific needs. Perhaps it was
to change a reticle to accommodate a change in their shooting style or shorten the parallax distance
so that a scope that had been used on a centerfire rifle could now be mounted on a rimfire rifle.

While we listed the custom options available in the Leupold catalogs, it was still something that most
shooters learned by word of mouth. Now Leupold is proud to announce the Leupold Custom Shop.
With a menu of wide ranging services, the Leupold Custom Shop can change the features of your
Leupold scope to meet your specific shooting requirements.


Parallax Setting on Scopes
What is the parallax setting for various types of Leupold scopes? Our scopes are set to be parallax free
at the following yardages:
Handgun scopes - 100 yards
Shotgun scopes - 75 yards
Rimfire scopes - 60 yards
Hunting scopes - 150 yards

M8 2.5x20mm Compact - 100 yards
Turkey Ranger - 40 yards
For more information, please consult our list of "frequently asked questions" at www.leupold.com/tifaq.


What is the problem of installing a centerfire telescopic sight on a rimfire rifle
without recalibrating the parallax?

A potential aiming error of, approximately, 3/16 (.189) inches to 13/64 (.203) inches could occur.
If this much impact error is of no significance in your rimfire shooting/hunting environment,
then, there should be no problem.

Apparently, some of the Russian optics sold in the USA intended for short range use
(read as: Close Quarters Battle weapons or rimfire rifles) are parallax corrected at 100 meters (110 yards).

My guess is, the Russians are simply being pragmatic.
The impact error is so slight -
it seems, from their prespective ... insignificant.

At least, not significant enough for the market to warrant another model.

Ziplok 12-24-2006 11:23 AM

I LOVE My 78!
 
The little Russian blond is definately a "Best Buy" :D
I have seen one Winchester , wouldnt have it on a bet... The marketing geniuses at Winchester take a perfectly well made little carbine, remove the externally adjustable trigger, slap on an "American" schnabel-ended piece of walnut stained birchwood , replace the perfectly adequate hooded front and safari-type rear sights with what they call a "Microadjustable" rear and an unshielded front post:pissed: I didn't get my hands actually touching the Winchester to see if the marketing boys had done anything to the freefloating barrel I have on the 78, but I could see only one mouinting screw. ... The mounting screw on my 78 was a problem = after the first couple of 10 round magazines, the groups started to string & open up, til I figured out the recoil on the little lightweight was shaking the mounting screw loose - a couple drops of LokTight solved that problem;)
It took a couple of bricks of Winchester Experts to shoot the stiffness out of the bolt... smooth now. :bthumb:
The plastic mags are cheesy looking to those who still think of magazines and ferrous metal in the same thought group, but these specemins are surprisingly well made and deliberately designed to be disassembled and REASSEMBLED with ease.;) They have all functioned smoothly with no failures to feed either Hi or standard velocity loads.
I use mine for sporterweight benchrest shooting with a Japanese 24X Tasco target scope on High rings... it shoots as well as custom sporters costing their owners a thousand $ more... Not bad for a $130 little Russian hunting caarbine.

aom22 12-24-2006 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziplok (Post 1253448)
I use mine for sporterweight benchrest shooting with a Japanese 24X Tasco target scope on High rings... it shoots as well as custom sporters costing their owners a thousand $ more... Not bad for a $130 little Russian hunting caarbine.

Do you have any pictures of the groups you've fired?

aom22 12-30-2006 04:59 PM

TOZ 78 Very Heavy Barrel: Wildcat Target/Varmint
 
Wildcat Target/Varmint

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...es/525101m.jpg
Double click image for larger view ... wait for zoom icon
Quote:

The new Wildcat Target/Varmint rifle has a highly accurate, heavy .866" diameter bull barrel.
The receiver is drilled and tapped for bases, as well as grooved for mounting a scope.
While many of today’s smallbore rifles are clunky little plinkers, the Target/Varmint has the look
and feel of a full-size hunting rifle, complete with an adjustable trigger and dual front steel
swivel studs. The pinpoint accuracy of the Wildcat Target/Varmint will make a lasting impression
from the very first shot. One 5-round and three 10-round magazines are included. (Scope not included.)

FiremanFrank 01-07-2007 07:50 PM

Anyone know when these Winchesters will be out?
 
Okay,

I am sold on this new Winchester with the heavy barrel. Does anyone know when they will be available? I like the regular TOZ rifle as well but don't like the dark wood. Can someone point me in the direction of who is selling the light wood version?

Thanks.

aom22 01-08-2007 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiremanFrank (Post 1271714)
Okay,

I am sold on this new Winchester with the heavy barrel. Does anyone know when they will be available?
I like the regular TOZ rifle as well but don't like the dark wood. Can someone point me in the direction of who is selling the light wood version?

Thanks.

Quote:

ToxicSports



Zanders sent me a reply about the availability of the Wildcat.



Quote:

we don't have any idea when we will see them, they kept promising the Winchester Wildcat 22lr sporter to us by September
and we haven't seen those yet, now they are saying Feb/March on those.
TS


Classic Arms Inc.
http://www.classicarms.us/toz78jpeg.gif

Macc 01-29-2007 01:49 PM

Hey, thanks for the links to this great site. :bthumb:

aom22 03-18-2007 04:53 PM

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What Rings for TOZ 78?

Toz 78 scope ring

Who has a Mueller APV on their Biathlon?

frupertapricot 03-18-2007 10:56 PM

anyone else see the irony here (mostly related to the winchest 1895 rifle)

aom22 03-19-2007 03:10 PM

Winchester Irony?
 
Winchester 1895 Russian Musket 7.62 mm Caliber
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...chester/00.jpg

Wildcat Bolt Action 22
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...er/525100m.jpg


Do you think the KGB would be interested in this model ... for covert operations?
Model 1895 Takedown, Limited Series
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...er/534127m.jpg

aom22 03-29-2007 04:22 PM

30 mm & 1 inch Rings - Improved TOZ-78 Mount by EST
 
These are questions I emailed to Kalinka Optics Warehouse®. And, the responses I've received.


I have been trying to locate the telescopic mount shown on the TOZ 78 SOUVENIR
Can you identify the scope and mount shown in the image?
If you can, do you sell the scope and mount?

Quote:

The mount is improved version of TOZ-78 mount made by our partner EST.
We will be able to offer these improved mounts in the beginning of
next year.
As for scopes, they are PO 4x32 Pilad. You could find them there
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=50.
Fell free should you ask any other questions.

Best regards,

Andrew Kozlov
Kalinka Optics Team

What is the website for your partner EST?
Quote:

Unfortunately, they don't have web-site.

Improved See-Thru Mount by EST

EST Gen 2 Russian TOZ 78, TOZ 99, BE 7 Top Mount w/ 30 mm Rings
This thread for 1 inch (26mm) rings

Quote:

This great top mount is manufactured by the well-known EST factory,
one of the main suppliers to the Tule Arsenal AK factory. The mount is designed
for the popular TOZ 78, TOZ 99 and BE 7.
This mount has never been available in
the West until now and is very difficult to find even in Russia. This is an updated
design just released in 2007. The mount places your optic directly on the
center-line of the rifle and keeps your scope low for ideal cheek weld.
Manufactured from weapons-grade steel to last a lifetime.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a78d_2_600.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a78d_3_600.jpg

According to the diagram from Kalinka Optics
the mounting rail width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a78d_1_600.jpg

j.r. guerra in s. texas 03-29-2007 04:28 PM

Now THATS exactly what I was looking for!
 
Thank you Aom22 - thats the mount I was hoping to find. I'll contact Kalinka and find out when these mounts can be expected to be in country. Far out!

aom22 04-02-2007 12:41 PM

1 inch (26mm) - Improved TOZ-78 Mount by EST
 
Improved See-Thru Mount by EST


EST Russian TOZ 78, TOZ 99, BE 7 Top Mount w/ 1" Rings)

Quote:

This great top mount is manufactured by the well-known EST factory,
one of the main suppliers to the Tule Arsenal AK factory. The mount is designed
for the popular TOZ 78, TOZ 99 and BE 7.
This mount has never been available in
the West until now and is very difficult to find even in Russia. This is an updated
design just released in 2007. The mount places your optic directly on the
center-line of the rifle and keeps your scope low for ideal cheek weld.
Manufactured from weapons-grade steel to last a lifetime.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...la78_1_600.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...la78_3_600.jpg

According to the diagram from Kalinka Optics
the mounting rail width of the TOZ 78 & 99 is 8.5 mm wide.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...la78_2_600.jpg


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