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Tozman 01-05-2009 06:33 PM

Toz-78-12 (Winchester Wildcat22): Photos & First Impressions
 
I bought it from BassPro recently at the boxing week sale price of CAN$199 + taxes. Have not shot it yet. So far I can say the following:

Aesthetics/looks: BassPro was advertizing it as "walnut" stock. It is not walnut (birch or beech probably), but the walnut stain on mine is very pleasing to my eyes. The blueing is not bad at all. The overall finish is fine. The checkering is more than acceptable for a CAN$200 gun. It is a nice package that transpires "good quality and value". I like it more than the previous "el-cheaperino" version of the Toz-78 I owned a few years ago ( I bought that one for only CAN$100 new in the box!!!).

Dimensions: The Toz series of rimfire guns have compact dimensions. The stock is a bit short for my size (I have that same complaint for most firearms). I will get used to it just like I got used to my current Toz-99 and the previously owned Toz-78. I am thinking of adding a recoil pad on this one to increase the LOP. I will make a final decision after shooting a couple of hundred rounds.

Action: No surprises there, just like most Toz bolt action rimfires, it is a bit stiff now, but I am sure it will smoothen after about a hundred rounds. The backward curved bolt is different than other Toz-78 models. Don't know why they did that: aesthetics or change for the sake of change.

Sights: At first, the rear sight disappointed me. I was thinking the one on my old Toz-78 was superior. But it started to grow on me once I realized that it is collapsible and hence, it does not have to be removed if I mount a scope. Speaking of scopes, I tried 2 of my scoped on it: a variable BUSHNELL and Russian ZENITH scope. I think I am going to stick with the BUSHNELL as the ZENITH scope is in reality an airgun scope.

Trigger: I have read on this forum that some of the members here miss the variable triger on the other versions of the Toz-78. Well, I have not shot my gun yet. I dry-fired it a couple of times and don't find this trigger too heavy.

I will talk about its accuracy once I shoot it. But being a (rebadged) Toz-78, we all know that they are very accurate for the price.

To sum it up: I prefered to buy this gun over the Savages, Merlins and others that shared the same gun rack at the shop. It looked better, felt better and was priced very competitively. I look forward to enjoy this little critter for a long time.

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aom22 01-05-2009 07:56 PM

TOZ-78-12 Model Number Verification
 
Tozman,

Great pictures and thank you so much for the TOZ-78-12 model number verification.
Apparently, TOZ-78-12 (Winchester) and TOZ-78-17 (North American market) are affirmed model designations.

Oh, by-the-way, good-looking rifle ... walnut stained beech (or birch) and all.
Right now, I'm trying to imagine your rifle as a beeched blonde.

caseyboy 01-05-2009 08:53 PM

Hey Tozman,

Thanks for the report and the photos. Indeed a nice looking rifle. I have a Toz 17-01 that I am impressed with as far as accuracy goes. With the right ammo, it shoots groups easily covered by a quarter at 60 meters. The question I have for you, is the Wildcat trigger two stage and is it adjustable at all?

caseyboy

aom22 01-06-2009 10:18 AM

Winchester Wildcat Trigger ... Non-Adjustable
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by caseyboy (Post 2156008)
...The question I have for you, is the Wildcat trigger two stage and is it adjustable at all?caseyboy

The Winchester Wildcat does not have an adjustable trigger.

Winchester Wildcat W/Fully Adj Trigger! - DIY Trigger Swap

Tozman 01-10-2009 12:58 AM

I took it to the (outdoors) range yesterday. What a cold day it was. Fingers freezing while loading....

Just fired a few shots to see if it works. Well, it works fine. Was a bit stiff and needed some effort to operate the bolt, but it got a bit smoother after a few rounds.

I did not check for accuracy. It was too cold and my stay at the range was very limited.

Petergun 02-07-2009 11:49 AM

wildcat
 
:Blasting_ hi Tozman hand I have bought from few a Wildcat but have not I had occasion to try it, have you tried her to 100 yadses, as it shoot, are the hits gathered as the CZ 452? would not like to repent me some done purchase, in fact my friends wanted to convince me to pick a CZ but me up I have been ok with the Russian, in fact first I had a Baikal 35 but I have had to sell him to with sorrow .

Tozman 02-07-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petergun (Post 2219932)
:Blasting_ hi Tozman hand I have bought from few a Wildcat but have not I had occasion to try it, have you tried her to 100 yadses, as it shoot, are the hits gathered as the CZ 452? would not like to repent me some done purchase, in fact my friends wanted to convince me to pick a CZ but me up I have been ok with the Russian, in fact first I had a Baikal 35 but I have had to sell him to with sorrow .

Sorry, I did not have the chance to shoot it to 100 yards yet.

Petergun 02-07-2009 12:37 PM

wildcat
 
we hope that you shoot well, some I are disappointed for the dimensions, the carbine of the gnomes seems me

bowbuilder 03-02-2009 12:57 PM

Tozman

Have you had a chance to shoot the Wildcat yet? I'm looking forward to a comparison between the TOZ 78-01 and the Winchester version.

kart racer 03-09-2009 09:27 PM

I have shot my wildcat and cz fs at 100 yards many times.The cz is a little more accurate,but for the money the wildcat isn't bad at all.I'm going to play with the trigger and see what happens.

Every time I went I used the same ammo,so I may not be fair to the winchester.

isuzu 03-28-2009 11:14 PM

I'm also taking a look at the Wildcats. Not bad for a CDN$200.00 rifle. I'm waiting for the BassPro in Calgary to open next week.

rigormootis 07-18-2009 01:34 AM

Will Wildcat mags (if I can find any) work for my TOZ-78? Are they the same?

aom22 07-18-2009 08:34 AM

Winchester Wildcat and TOZ 78 Magazine Interchangability
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rigormootis (Post 2484190)
Will Wildcat mags (if I can find any) work for my TOZ-78?
Are they the same?

They are not exactly the same.
However, with a little effort magazines could be made interchangeable.
But, some slight modifications of the magazine slot might be required.
In some cases alteration may not be a necessity.

However, you are more easily and likely to encounter TOZ 78 magazines for sale than Wildcat mags.
The following threads may shed some light on your question:
TOZ 78/Winchester Wildcat mag differences
Winchester Wildcat magazines - Winchester Customer Svc & Wildcat Stock Finish & Fit
Quote:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...nWWCmag081.jpg
The mag on the left,
with the more square bullet cutout,
is the wildcat mag....

rigormootis 07-19-2009 11:40 AM

Outstanding! Thank you!

Looter 07-20-2009 03:19 PM

not necessarily
 
I'm in the process of selling the Wildcat mags that I picked up at a gun show because they don't feed rounds very well in my TOZ-78 01. They might feed round-nose, but HPs are a no-go. The original TOZ mags function fine.

It seems to me that the Wildcat must have a different, more pronounced feed ramp than the original Russian TOZ-78.

As always, YMMV.

Edit: You can't really modify a Wildcat mag to function better in a TOZ, at least not easily.


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