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headhunter2 04-08-2018 07:27 PM

Auction Model M missing action parts
 
https://i.imgur.com/eKGLAFT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nee1u8X.jpg

I bought this knowing the parts were missing but have never seen another one (here in Canada). The serial # is 28653 so I assume a later M production. The stock is not the pistol grip stock. I am looking for parts but not sure what I am looking for. Is this a one that has later parts? Did some M models come with the straight stock or was this a replacement? The rear sight is a long one compared to the parts diagram (K & M parts) and was braised up (also missing elevator) Front sight has no ivory bead. The butt plate has a faint marking - M1-1109-RO-209 which I assume to be an inventory number. From where?

The parts I need appear to be

#K-4 Bolt
#K-7 Firing Pin
#K-8 Firing Pin Spring
#K-9 Firing Pin Retaining Pin
#K-10 Extractor Note: the new style is the same as on model 75
#K-11 Ejector Note: the new style is the same as on model 75
#K-12 Carrier Elevator Screw
#K-13 Carrier Elevator
#K-75 Extractor and Ejector Spring
#K-76 Carrier Elevator Spring

This is from the K & M parts diagram. I am looking for education on this so I know what to look for here in Canada. I know I always say the search is the biggest part of the fun so I think I will have fun for a long time with this one. - Bill

vinco 04-09-2018 12:06 AM

Congratulations on a great find! The breech bolt is not an easy find, but it is not impossible. The bad thing about them is that they made a couple or 3 different designs of the breech bolt, which will all likely fit the rifle, but the wrong one(s) simply won't work right. I've been on a working break from mine for a couple years now and still haven't gotten it to be reliable with a replacement bolt, but it's maybe not too far.

Again, great find! Sweet little rifles when they run right! Attractive as display pieces even if they don't!

bone 04-09-2018 08:58 AM

Bill, she looks good. To bad the bolt is missing. I will have to dig mine out and look at the internals. I have been out of game for far to long and my memory is not up to par, still in recovery mode from the remodel.

I can't make any statements about the straight stock, as I would be guessing at this time. See above statement.

But I do know that I have never seen a stamped M model with one. To my knowledge, all the parts will/should have part of or all of the serial number stamped on them. Butt stock, butt plate and both receiver halves, if the numbers do not match then you have a put together unit.

I know I have two maybe three bolt bodies at home. One stripped bare, one someone modified and have to dig for the other one.

Another question, what does the barrel stamp read, Mossberg or Premier?

Terry

headhunter2 04-09-2018 09:50 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Wlwoy3x.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fUGoreq.jpg

The only markings on it aside of the serial number. No "M" or partial serial anywhere I found yet. The butt plate marking is not Mossberg obviously. - Bill

bone 04-09-2018 10:42 AM

No questioning that it is a Mossberg Model M barrel, I found out that most barrels where not stamped with the letter model when I was putting my K back together. My M is not marked either.

headhunter2 04-09-2018 03:44 PM

Well I looked at my notes and checked the Model M again. The front of the receiver has 653 as does the carrier. Took the butt plate off and the stock has 527 and the butt plate has that scratched on it. A put together rifle.
So the action appears to match and the stock is different. Just need parts from a similar serial number.
Still trying to see what the numbers (M1-1109-RO-209) relate to. Appears to be inventory number but from where. - Bill

blkwollf 04-10-2018 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headhunter2 (Post 10765353)
Well I looked at my notes and checked the Model M again. The front of the receiver has 653 as does the carrier. Took the butt plate off and the stock has 527 and the butt plate has that scratched on it. A put together rifle.
So the action appears to match and the stock is different. Just need parts from a similar serial number.
Still trying to see what the numbers (M1-1109-RO-209) relate to. Appears to be inventory number but from where. - Bill

The "Meriden Model 15" --Same Gun!!!
But U probably already knew that !!!;)

headhunter2 04-10-2018 11:59 AM

Thanks blkwollf. I knew there was a Meriden Model the same but forgot the number. Lost in my notes somewhere.

Sav22 04-10-2018 05:15 PM

Looking at your pictures your gun has the later design changes - it has the later action release and the ball bearing cartridge stop which takes the later bolt design without two prongs on the front, this type bolt can be found with both types of extractors, the early milled steel or the later stamped sheetmetal, either type should work. I have been told the earlier bolts will also work if the two prongs on the front are ground off, but I have not tried that and can't see taking a chance on ruining a bolt, as hard as good ones are to find.

Have you looked good at the locking surfaces in the top of the receiver to see if they are good? If those are distorted your gun would only be safe for shooting blanks and possibly CB's because of head space issues so it may not be worth investing to much in it. The distortion can also keep the breech bolt from fully closing which might be the reason the bolt has been removed. You also have to watch for distortions of the locking surfaces on the breech bolts. These are not strong guns.

The early Meriden Model 15's had a different lifter that had a 'hook' front that acted as the cartridge stop, later guns has a lifter with a pointed front and a separate cartridge stop the was held in by a cross pin that shows on both sided of the lower front of the receiver. Early Mereiden receivers were also jointed together different. Early Mossberg's used the same receiver design as the late Meriden's. Later Mossberg changed the action release, changed the cartridge stop to a ball bearing eliminating the cross pin and eliminated the protrusions on the front of the bolt (which were used to trip the earlier cartridge release). Model K's will be found with both early and later receivers.

headhunter2 04-10-2018 05:47 PM

Thanks Sav22. Great information.

Sav22 04-10-2018 06:43 PM

some pictures -

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...full/69972.jpg

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...full/69973.jpg

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...full/69974.jpg

headhunter2 04-10-2018 11:32 PM

Thanks again Sav22, everything looked good until I got to the last picture. I do see a small crack at the trigger pin. Are they repairable? I will try to get pictures up Thursday. - Bill

bone 04-11-2018 08:32 AM

Thanks Sav22 for the photo's, great info as always.

headhunter2 04-12-2018 05:45 PM

pictures of my M

https://i.imgur.com/QtYX69M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/T6r7bsN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UHbbVPq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bpffDyk.jpg

Besides the crack at the trigger pin is there any other problem seen? Thanks - Bill

Sav22 04-12-2018 07:01 PM

The crack looks tight so if the receiver halves line up fairly close I wouldn't worry about that, it probably will feel a little loose, these seem to have a tendency to fit together with a little bit of play even without being cracked - so you often find the take down screws damaged by pliers from over tightening.

The locking surfaces in the receiver look real good... so all you need to do is find a complete usable bolt... good luck.


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