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cbnky 06-08-2021 01:18 PM

'MK II' Receiver Marking?
 
I have noticed in some photos that the 'MK II' marking on the receiver appears to be added with a hand etcher rather than being stamped. Is this indicative of a converted International to a MK II or perhaps an effort to pass off an International as a MK II?

Should one be concerned about this marking when purchasing a rifle?

As always, thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge/opinions. Best regards,
cb

STRUGL4X'SC 06-09-2021 10:55 PM

Don't know the answer, not sure if I have seen one marked as you describe.

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cbnky 06-10-2021 09:47 AM

Thank you for your response. I probably could have been a bit clearer in what I am asking. Should have used 'engraved' versus 'etched' when referring to the markings. That said, here are a couple photos hopefully showing what I am referring to.

My main question is should one be concerned about the manner of the marking when purchasing a rifle or is it just a cosmetic issue?

The marking in the first photo appears to have been applied using an electric engraving pen.

The second picture is my personal rifle which on closer inspection appears to also have been 'engraved,' albeit, in a much more professional looking manner.

https://i.imgur.com/t8WA78D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OQ9fGei.jpg

rapidfire10ring 06-10-2021 05:27 PM

Several MK I Martini's were sent back for the upgrade of the trigger assembly that the newer Mk II's had, so a full replacement of the trigger assembly offered the adjustable trigger.

Many EARLY Martini's did not have any "Mk." designation and it didn't take long for BSA to offer an upgrade, since the newer rifles were hands-down better in the trigger department.

So....it seems that is where the upgrade designation came from, although it is a crude execution.


another possibility is that the trigger assembly was returned to the customer (or gunsmith) and they scraped the lettering in.

cbnky 06-12-2021 08:20 AM

Thanks for the clarification. So the trigger modification makes it a 'MK II.' Makes sense now. Appreciate the information. Best regards...cb

rapidfire10ring 06-19-2021 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbnky (Post 12359889)
Thanks for the clarification. So the trigger modification makes it a 'MK II.' Makes sense now. Appreciate the information. Best regards...cb

I wouldn't say it MAKES it a Mk II, but it brings the trigger up to Mk. II standards.

Keeley 06-20-2021 07:34 AM

Internal/external?
 
Tell us more about the trigger. Do you have to remove the assembly from the receiver to adjust it? Seems like the big change was being able to do the trigger adjustment without having to remove anything from the receiver via the 2 screws in front of the trigger guard. :bthumb:

rapidfire10ring 06-21-2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keeley (Post 12367297)
Tell us more about the trigger. Do you have to remove the assembly from the receiver to adjust it? Seems like the big change was being able to do the trigger adjustment without having to remove anything from the receiver via the 2 screws in front of the trigger guard. :bthumb:

EXTERNAL....That was the feature that made it usable. If you happen to have either pictures or a complete Mk I trigger assembly, set it next to a Mk. II and see the difference.
It was not just an easy matter of putting those teeny adjustment screws. :D

Topstrap44 06-25-2021 08:57 AM

I bought a left hand Martini a couple years ago that was sold as a MK II, after receiving it I noticed it wasn't marked MK II but had the updated adjustable trigger. It also hadn't been drilled for the Parker Hale sight but instead had a left hand Vavier mount and sight on it. I had a left hand PH sight and made a new mount that matched the Vavier mounting holes but put the sight in the correct location. The Vavier mounting holes are higher up on the receiver than the PH holes on my other ones.

Be nice to be able to find records that showed how each gun was built or modified at the factory. The last couple of years I've been shooting them at the local longrange rimfire matches and they easily compete with anything out there. Other than the easy access to the trigger adjusting screws are they basically the same? I can't really see any difference between the MK I and MK II except MK I isn't marked as such.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6748/ikcX5c.jpg

Topstrap

lion 06-25-2021 12:02 PM

The inside of the trigger frame and the trigger itself are different. I don't know if the old trigger frame was machined or just replaced. Wayne

rapidfire10ring 06-26-2021 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lion (Post 12372065)
The inside of the trigger frame and the trigger itself are different. I don't know if the old trigger frame was machined or just replaced. Wayne

Basically, it had to be replaced. One just has to do a side-by-side comparison of the Mk I vs Mk. II trigger assembly.

You just couldn't just drill and tap the four holes of the trigger adjustment and overtravel screws and lock screws.:bthumb:


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