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tt5 04-16-2010 06:20 PM

CZ scope and ring reference
 
****see post 276 for updated spread sheet****

Every day or two someone starts a "what scope/rings should I use " thread. I propose to build a reference thread containing a list of combinations that work that can be used as a starting point when scoping a rifle.

Please respond with:
  1. Rifle model ultra lux, lux/trainer, FS, American, Varmint, silhouette, scout, style, 513, etc.
  2. Scope brand and model
  3. Ring brand and model
  4. Any tweaks to gun, scope, ring necessary (remove tangent sight, etc) special positioning, add-on rails, etc?
  5. Any especially good features or problems with the combination?
  6. Primary use of the rifle (hunting, target, bench target, plink, etc).

I've mined a little data mined from recent threads and here's a preliminary table in picture form. I'd prefer to put the data in the forum as a text table, but haven't figured out how to format a table here.

And while I'm collecting scope/ring references here's a thread on scoping an American https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=293660

Since the table has gotten pretty big, here's a link to the excel file https://sites.google.com/site/timgta...petablehtm.xls

https://sites.google.com/site/timgta...copetable1.jpg

https://sites.google.com/site/timgta...copetable2.jpg

https://sites.google.com/site/timgta...copetable3.jpg

https://sites.google.com/site/timgta...copetable4.jpg

tt5 04-16-2010 06:22 PM

results table

Crazy Carl 04-16-2010 09:18 PM

1) 452 American
2) Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x40
3) Burris Signature Mediums
4) Mount scope as far forward as possible- bolt will hit magnification adjusting ring, otherwise (at about 14x & higher)
5) Scope as low as possible, forward position works great for me, as I prefer to "ride" the gun as forward/close as possible (due to 20 yrs of parking my nose on the charging handle of an M16...)
6) Target/plinking. Hopefully, eventually, hunting.

cnelson181 04-17-2010 09:08 AM

452 American:

-Burris Sig. rimfire High rings w/ a Intensity 6.5-20x44 A.O.

-BKL std height 257's w/ a Intensity 6.5-20x44 A.O.

-Warne 7.3/22 High rings w/ a Bushnell L.E. (Elite 3200) 4-12x40 A.O.

-Warne 7.3/22 High rings w/ a Sightron SI 2.5-10x44mm

-Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings Extra-High rings w/ a Bushnell L.E. (Elite 3200) 4-12x40 A.O.

-Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings Extra-High rings w/ a Weaver V24 6-24x42 A.O.

-Warne 7.3/22 Medium rings w/ a Weaver 4x32mm Shotgun scope (on a CZ Scout)




Used all these different combo's on a couple of different 452 American's .22lr for bench shooting/plinking/rodent eradication. :t

Both of the Americans I have now are pillared, glass bedded, free floated, and the triggers break like glass at 10oz. :t



Craig...

tt5 04-17-2010 02:55 PM

Anyone else?

There seems to be a pattern of bigger/ higher magnification scopes on the "American" style stocks and smaller ones on the hogbacks.

Going through old threads, I'm finding lots of advice, but not a lot of specific examples of gun/scope/ring combinations.

Corrections would be appreciated too if I misinterpreted posts or just screwed up.

OldSwede 04-17-2010 03:00 PM

452 American in 17 HM2
Mueller "APT" 4.5-14X 30mm scope
30mm Burris Signature Zee in Medium
Rimfire Tech converter rail.

PzKfW 04-17-2010 03:19 PM

452fs .22lr
Currently Talley "low" cz452 rings, have used "high" cz452 rings.
Weaver classic rimfire 4x28

-You have to mount the scope completely behind the rear sight, as even with the small 33.5mm objective-end OD on the Weaver, the rear sight leaf will interfere with scope mounting (although not by much). With Talley "high" cz452 rings, the 4x Weaver clears the rear sight leaf by only 2mm, making the maximum objective OD size that will clear, using Talley "high" rings (0.600" high), only 35mm. With that limitation of having the scope sit completely behind the rear sight, you have to limit scope overall length. I find that a scope length of 12 inches is comfortable, but any more and I find myself wanting to move the scope forward to get a comfortable cheek weld. This I believe is the reason why small scopes are used on the cz 452s with iron sights. If CZ makes a new model of the 452 with sights, it ought to take a cue from centerfire guns and use a flip-down rear sight blade with a tangent-style ramp. That would solve this scope mounting situation. As it stands, however, I believe that a 7 or 9x maximum magnification scope is enough to hit 2" targets at 100 - 125yds, which is realistically pushing the envelope, ballistically, of both the .17hmr and .22wmr, not to mention the good old standby, the .22lr.

JEE 04-17-2010 04:07 PM

You asked for it...
 
The ones that you already have... with some additional info...

452 Silhouette .22lr - 11mm - Leupold Rimfire Special 2-7x28mm - Warne/Brownells 7.3 mediums - good fit /clearance.

452 FS .22lr - 11mm - Leupold Ultralight 2.5x20mm - Leupold 11mm - good fit / classy / behind the sights.


Here's the rest of my scoped ones...

452 American .22lr - 3/8" - Burris Mini 6x32mm AO - Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings extra high - good fit / needs lapping.

452 American .17HMR - 3/8" - Clearidge Ultra RM 3-9x32mm AO - Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings extra high - good fit / needs lapping.

452 Varmint .22lr - 11mm - Clearidge Ultra RM 3-9x32mm AO - CZ medium rings - good fit / clearance.

452 Varmint .17HMR - 3/8" - Bushnell 4200 4-16x40mm SF - B-Square air rifle rings mediums - good fit / needs better screws.

452 Scout .22lr - 11mm - Burris Compact 4x20mm - Warne 22 mediums - good fit / clearance / behind the sights.

452 Varmint .22lr AKA Heavy Silhouette - 11mm - Sightron Big Sky SII 12x42mm - BKL 566 adapters / Burris Sig. Zee highs - good fit / clearance for any scope.


Past scope combos... (I've moved them around quite a bit) list them if you want... but I'm really just testing my memory. ;)

452 American .22lr - 3/8" - Lyman Permacenter 2.5x20mm - Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings extra high - good fit / needs lapping.

452 American .22lr - 3/8" - Weaver K-series 6x38mm - Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings extra high - good fit, needs lapping.

452 American .22lr - 3/8" - Leupold FXII 4x33mm - Weaver Grand Slam 22 rings extra high - good fit, needs lapping.

452 Varmint .22lr - 11mm - Lyman Permacenter 4x32mm - Leupold 11mm - good fit / clearance

452 Varmint .22lr - 11mm - Weaver K-series 6x38mm - Leupold 11mm - good fit / clearance

452 Varmint .22lr - 11mm - Sightron S1 Rimfire 3-9x32mm - Leupold 11mm - good fit / clearance

452 Silhouette .22lr - 11mm - Sightron S1 Rimfire 3-9x32mm - Warne/Brownells 7.3 mediums - good fit / clearance... you got this one already.

452 Silhouette .22lr - 11mm - Weaver Rimfire 2.5-7x28mm- Warne/Brownells 7.3 mediums - good fit / clearance...

452 Silhouette .22lr - 11mm - Weaver V-series 4-16x42mm - BKL 558 adapter / Burris Sig. Zee highs - good fit / clearance for any scope.

452 Scout .22lr - 11mm - Simmons 8-point 2.5x20mm (don't tell anybody :o ) - B-Square air rifle low - good fit / clearance / behind the sights.

452 Scout .22lr - 11mm - Weaver K-series 2.5x20mm - B-Square air rifle low - good fit / clearance / behind the sights.

452 Scout .22lr - 11mm - Weaver 4x32mm shotgun scope - B-Square air rifle low - good fit / clearance / behind the sights for youth.

452 Trainer .22lr - 11mm - Weaver 4x32mm shotgun scope - B-Square air rifle low - good fit / clearance / behind the sights.


Thanks for taking the time to make a list. :)

tt5 04-17-2010 04:28 PM

wow. Thanks JEE
I'll update your active combos this evening.

Your post brings up a point though. I should add a dovetail column and split the varmints. I forgot the varmints dovetails were split (11 on 22, 3/8" on .17HMR. But what about 17HM2 and 22WMR?

JEE 04-17-2010 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tt5 (Post 2903042)
wow. Thanks JEE
I'll update your active combos this evening.

Your post brings up a point though. I should add a dovetail column and split the varmints. I forgot the varmints dovetails were split (11 on 22, 3/8" on .17HMR. But what about 17HM2 and 22WMR?

Sure thing. :)

If I'm not mistaken, 452 Varmints in .17HM2 are 11mm and ones in .22WMR are 3/8".

9 fingers 04-18-2010 07:43 AM

American wmr - Pentax Gameseeker 4x12x40 - Millet Angle Loc High (.6") - Barely clears large ocular and hits at 4x.

Ultra Lux - Burris Timberline 4.5 x 14 x 32 - Weaver Wal Mart 22 Med - They work just fine- Scope behind sight ladder - a little far back but workable

452FS - Sightron 3x9x32RF - B-Square Air Gun/22 Low - Behind sight ladder

Bluto65 04-18-2010 08:06 AM

scope mount
 
Rifle - CZ 527 Varmint .204 Ruger
Scope - Sightron SIII 10-50X60 Dot reticle
Rings - Part Number - CZ 19005
Dovetail - 16mm
NOTE: Clear distance front objective to barrel 3/32,
The front objective physical diameter is 69mm

cal74 04-18-2010 10:41 AM

Great List, hopefully someone makes a Sticky out of it.


452 American 22lr
Burris Deluxe Medium Rings, think 3/8" but I'm not sure (fit perfect)
Leupold VXII 3-9x42

Not much room for a flip up cap on the front, but alumina caps would be perfect. Plenty of room for bolt clearance, little tight removing/replacing bolt if removed but enough to work.

newbie2 04-18-2010 11:06 AM

This would be a good Stickie for reference.

Lloyd S. 04-18-2010 11:06 AM

FS, Sightron S1 3-9 X 32, BKL 252 rings.
Silhouette, Weaver V16, Burris Signature high rings.

Both rifles .22 LR.


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