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huntschool 10-11-2019 07:12 PM

457 American in house
 
My 457 American arrived today. I must say on opening the box I was impressed. I did not win the wood lottery but I darn sure did not lose it either. Tomorrow will be cleaning day as well as messing with the trigger. Its set at what many would consider light (I did not gauge it) by feel about 1.5-2 lbs. but it does have some creep. Since I am going to do the super clean on the barrel I will begin to try and get it where it has no creep and pull weight fits my needs/wants.

My scope is in house but 30mm rings might be here tomorrow or at worst Monday.

I have some questions for all you CZ folks who have fooled with the 457:

1. As to the trigger, how light have you tuned your trigger. I am looking for at worst, a 1 lb. pull. I do understand the trigger adjustment directions and they seem pretty straight forward.

2. Relevant to the rough feeling working the bolt, which I have, does "smoothing" out the stamped lettering on the base of the bolt pretty much clean that up. I have read on here that it helps but may not eliminate it.

3. The target supplied with the gun showed a 3 shot group dispersion shot at 50m at .23* inches (6mm). Have you found your gun shoots as well as the test target. They used RWS ammo but I am not sure which RWS ammo they used.

All in all I am impressed with the gun. It weighs in (on my bathroom scale) at a bit over 5 lbs. perhaps 5.5. Thats great for what I am looking for. The fit and finish are well within what I expected for this rifle. If it shoots as good as the target provided and allows me the trigger performance I desire its a winner in all respects. I intend to wring out the mechanical points shooting the 22 LR barrel it came with and then switch over to a Lilja 17 Mach II barrel just for giggles.

I should add.... based on above info and my "shooting it in" I may very well go after a 457 MTR just to have something else to play with.

Thanks in advance. Just wanted to share with the group.

dogtrialerguy 10-11-2019 08:22 PM

My 457 varmint would only adjust down to 2.5 lbs. I had to shorten the spring it is now 9 oz.

Tomcat21 10-11-2019 09:24 PM

Bruce, it sounds like it is going to be a very nice rifle, keep working that bolt to help smooth it out. I hope you can get it to shoot as nice as my 452 American,
my American can match my 455 Varmint shot for shot. Good luck and enjoy your new rifle........:bthumb:

bs812 10-11-2019 09:59 PM

Congratulations.......look forward to hearing more as you get her out to shoot

huntschool 10-11-2019 10:35 PM

Thanks guys.... I have my fingers crossed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogtrialerguy (Post 11635717)
My 457 varmint would only adjust down to 2.5 lbs. I had to shorten the spring it is now 9 oz.

dogtrialerguy

How much did you shorten it ?

Thanks

dogtrialerguy 10-11-2019 11:11 PM

You know come to think about it on that particular gun I put a weaker spring in it of the same diameter. You need an assortment of springs to get it right. I bought an assortment from wolfe spring co.

SLS 10-11-2019 11:20 PM

Get the spring from Yodave. My trigger is at about 12 oz.

huntschool 10-11-2019 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogtrialerguy (Post 11635861)
You know come to think about it on that particular gun I put a weaker spring in it of the same diameter. You need an assortment of springs to get it right. I bought an assortment from wolfe spring co.

dogtrialerguy
OK.... Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS (Post 11635869)
Get the spring from Yodave. My trigger is at about 12 oz.

SLS:

Which spring did you use ? So, all you did was change the spring and set the pull and creep with the new spring ? Does Yo Dave sell just the springs ?

Thanks

Pics will be forthcoming once I have it scoped and ready to go. Should be next week if all goes well. We are hunkered down for the night as we went from 80 deg. yesterday to frost warnings for over night tonight. Thats kinda a bugger for us here in Southernmost IL. This was not supposed to happen until tomorrow night so plants etc. had to be moved in the last hour..... Go figure......

Again, Thanks all.

SLS 10-12-2019 08:20 AM

The 457 kit from YoDave only has one spring. Just that spring combined with using the three adjustment screws as well as a little polishing on the bolt and the receiver gave me a very nice and smooth trigger/bolt action.

huntschool 10-12-2019 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS (Post 11636009)
The 457 kit from YoDave only has one spring. Just that spring combined with using the three adjustment screws as well as a little polishing on the bolt and the receiver gave me a very nice and smooth trigger/bolt action.

SLS:

Thanks. I am going to play with it today and see where I can get with the current spring and adjustments. I am also going to order the 457 spring kit from YoDave so that I have one coming just in case.

Thanks for your time.

Mike_AK 10-12-2019 12:06 PM

Pics? :confused:

Hawkeye57 10-12-2019 12:20 PM

huntschool

Congratulations on your new toy. :bthumb:
I don't have a 457 , but do have one of the 455 Varmints. I think you'll enjoy your journey. Winning the wood lottery can be nice but finding out that you won the barrel lottery can be more pleasing IMO. I hope you did. :bthumb:

I got the trigger in my 455 down to 1#10oz with the Yodave for the 455. I know the trigger and kit is different for the 457 but suspect you'll get close to what your looking for.

What scope and rings are you putting on it ?

Have fun
Ken

huntschool 10-12-2019 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_AK (Post 11636245)
Pics? :confused:

Mike_AK:

I will try and get some up today or tomorrow sans scope and rings. The scope is here and the rings should be her on Tuesday cause USPS doesn't work on Columbus Day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkeye57 (Post 11636265)
huntschool

Congratulations on your new toy. :bthumb:
I don't have a 457 , but do have one of the 455 Varmints. I think you'll enjoy your journey. Winning the wood lottery can be nice but finding out that you won the barrel lottery can be more pleasing IMO. I hope you did. :bthumb:

I got the trigger in my 455 down to 1#10oz with the Yodave for the 455. I know the trigger and kit is different for the 457 but suspect you'll get close to what your looking for.

What scope and rings are you putting on it ?

Have fun
Ken

Hawkeye57:

Thanks.....

The scope is a Vortex Diamondback 4-16x44 with the EBR-2C MOA reticle. Its a beast. I was really looking for a smaller overall sized scope with all the power of this one but they just are not out there anymore. This scope weighs 23 oz. which is a bit heavy in my mind but the glass seems to be as good as some higher priced scopes I have or have looked through. This reticle is a bit busy at higher powers but I think I can deal with it. The whole thing is I need some power for the squirrel woods and then there are those 50/50+ yard targets..... LOL

I am mounting the scope in Warne 30 mm 22 rings.

JDLalFleur 10-14-2019 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huntschool (Post 11635643)
My 457 American arrived today. I must say on opening the box I was impressed. I did not win the wood lottery but I darn sure did not lose it either. Tomorrow will be cleaning day as well as messing with the trigger. Its set at what many would consider light (I did not gauge it) by feel about 1.5-2 lbs. but it does have some creep. Since I am going to do the super clean on the barrel I will begin to try and get it where it has no creep and pull weight fits my needs/wants.

My scope is in house but 30mm rings might be here tomorrow or at worst Monday.

I have some questions for all you CZ folks who have fooled with the 457:

1. As to the trigger, how light have you tuned your trigger. I am looking for at worst, a 1 lb. pull. I do understand the trigger adjustment directions and they seem pretty straight forward.

2. Relevant to the rough feeling working the bolt, which I have, does "smoothing" out the stamped lettering on the base of the bolt pretty much clean that up. I have read on here that it helps but may not eliminate it.

3. The target supplied with the gun showed a 3 shot group dispersion shot at 50m at .23* inches (6mm). Have you found your gun shoots as well as the test target. They used RWS ammo but I am not sure which RWS ammo they used.

All in all I am impressed with the gun. It weighs in (on my bathroom scale) at a bit over 5 lbs. perhaps 5.5. Thats great for what I am looking for. The fit and finish are well within what I expected for this rifle. If it shoots as good as the target provided and allows me the trigger performance I desire its a winner in all respects. I intend to wring out the mechanical points shooting the 22 LR barrel it came with and then switch over to a Lilja 17 Mach II barrel just for giggles.

I should add.... based on above info and my "shooting it in" I may very well go after a 457 MTR just to have something else to play with.

Thanks in advance. Just wanted to share with the group.

I have been really looking hard at this rifle for my newest squirrel rifle. How impressed are you with it over all?

huntschool 10-14-2019 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDLalFleur (Post 11638053)
I have been really looking hard at this rifle for my newest squirrel rifle. How impressed are you with it over all?

JDLalFleur:

So far I am impressed and thats not easy to do. The fitment of wood to metal is excellent. Though I feel like the amount of width of wood alongside the barrel is a bit much I am not going to complain. I would like to have had the forearm a bit slimmer at the top ie rounded into the barrel channel more but , well, its OK.

The grade of the wood, as I mentioned earlier, is about in the middle quality wise from what I have heard and seen pictures of on this forum.

The barrel cleaned up quite well yesterday and is as has been said a tight 22 bore. It scrubbed out well with less "gunk/stuff" then I had anticipated. The final run with the jag did not produce any feel of burrs or roughness in the bore. The test target supplied with the gun was shot on 8/8/2019 and shows a three shot group of 6 mm dispersion at 50 m shooting RWS ammo. If that will hold up or perhaps even improve with the high quality ammo I have it will be a squirrel killer.

The trigger on this gun, as you may know, is something different from CZ triggers of the past. Out of box it is quite crisp with no creep or over run. It is still a bit heavy for my desires but I will fix that as soon as I get a new set of angled hex wrenches, especially the tiny one that works on the trigger itself and the YoDave spring. I like my trigger pull to be under 1 lb.

For now, that is about all I can say. Scope rings will be in house tomorrow and we are expecting rain so I dont know that I will get to shoot it until Wednesday or so. I am having cataract surgery on Thursday so I will not be able to shoot until at least Monday according to my surgeon.

You should also know that I have a Lilja 17 Mach II barrel coming for this rifle. The change was my original idea for the purpose of this gun. I am going to shoot it a good bit with the 22 LR barrel just to get the feel of it and then swap out the barrel.

At this point just based on what is in hand I am very pleased with this rifle. However, as I am sure you know, to each his own on gun choices...… If you have other specific questions do not be afraid to ask.

JMHO


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