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agksimon 01-18-2019 05:26 PM

It's the same at the IDPA and USPSA events. New people come and if they don't shoot as well as the seasoned shooters, they get discouraged and don't come back.
I'm just opposite: I try to compete against people who are better than me and pick their brains. I'm 73 and usually shoot in the top half, but that didn't happen overnight.

41B 01-19-2019 01:06 PM

The Tucson range May have held the first Silhouette match, but others make that claim too.
I shot there for several years - Lever Action Silhouette...same targets, different firearms.
Loved the range - couldn't stand the retirees that ran the place. Once you get past them the range is OK.
Try Lever Action - its fun and drew the largest crowd at the Nationals last year.
Michael

jnyork 01-19-2019 02:20 PM

I have a copy of the July 1973 American Rifleman, in it there is a article about the "new sport " of metallic silhouette and how it got started in the US, having been brought up from Mexico. It states the first silhouette range in the US was in Tuscon and was built in 1968. The first National Championships were held there in 1973.

motovita 01-20-2019 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jnyork (Post 11319045)
I have a copy of the July 1973 American Rifleman, in it there is a article about the "new sport " of metallic silhouette and how it got started in the US, having been brought up from Mexico. It states the first silhouette range in the US was in Tuscon and was built in 1968. The first National Championships were held there in 1973.

I learned today that 1/5 scale smallbore Silhouette originated in the USA, at the Tucson range. It is attributed to a man named Wayne Leek.

Sophia 01-20-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jnyork (Post 11319045)
I have a copy of the July 1973 American Rifleman, in it there is a article about the "new sport " of metallic silhouette and how it got started in the US, having been brought up from Mexico. It states the first silhouette range in the US was in Tuscon and was built in 1968. The first National Championships were held there in 1973.

That's the Tucson Rifle Club, also known around here as Three Points because of the range's location near the Robles junction. I've had the pleasure of shooting in the state championship matches there. That's actually their second location. Back in the hoary days of history they were much closer to Tucson.

Not necessarily the first silhouette match of any kind in the US but they did host the first national-level high power match in the US and they hosted the first state-level smallbore championship. They also developed the rules for handgun silhouette and hosted the first-ever handgun silhouette match as well as the first national-level championship match.

wookness 01-20-2019 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by agksimon (Post 11317731)
It's the same at the IDPA and USPSA events. New people come and if they don't shoot as well as the seasoned shooters, they get discouraged and don't come back.
I'm just opposite: I try to compete against people who are better than me and pick their brains. I'm 73 and usually shoot in the top half, but that didn't happen overnight.

:bthumb: That's a great attitude! More power to ya. All the better shooters than I, I have found to be wonderfully encouraging and very open about their 'secret' what and how. Talking small bore CLA & PC matches here, based on my own experience and a number of them past & present Nat'l. champs too. Its a wonderful shooting sport and its huge FUN! :)

Shoot against yer self, ask questions, apply whot werks for ya and keep having fun as ya figger it out.. or not. Its a great game, on yer own w/o support and seeing the result for every shot taken & no need for a spotting scope, but having a 'spotter' sure helps when you can trust 'em; then its either crank in the necessary sight adjustment or use Kentucky windage as your elevation needs should already be known for each animal from bench testing prior.

mrt949 08-21-2019 08:18 AM

We shoot at GENEVA FL.
They have 25,50,75,100 meters for 1/5 3/8 1/2 size.
Big bore 50,100,150,200.meters
Then the shoot 1/5 size off the bench .on the big bore side of the range .

blades 10-03-2019 10:24 AM

I always liked silly wet in any flavor rifle pistol ( both rimfire and centerfire) Blackpowder. At my range back in the 80's we had to call ahead to get a spot on the line. Back then all I had was TC in 35 Rem. ( poor man's 35 Herret) in those day I was also involved in HiPower and rimfire posistion and trap and Skeet with a little of the new thing called Sporting clays on top of it all. I was attending a match of some type almost every weekend. I was also a match director for many different venues at 2 different ranges. Family duties came a long and of course that had priority, started my own business and some of you know how that works out time wise. still try to get once in awhile just to get the cob webs out of the barrels.

thesandman 10-03-2019 03:07 PM

I started silhouette in 81 when it was booming. It was a great sport but expensive. We would trade our plaques for entry fees. It took alot of time reloading for 4 or 5 guns every week as wife shot too. It appears as all shooting sports are declining, benchrest, steel challenge, egg shoots all need to develop a method to entice new shooters. Trap may be growing with the onset of school teams becoming available. Maybe we need some school teams for all facets of shooting. Youth shooters are future of sport. Just can't get enough support to make it financially feasible.

atomicbrh 10-16-2019 12:47 PM

Just my opinion but entry fees are killing the NRA matches. I do not know about IHSMA fees. My wife and I spent $410 on entry fees just to shoot two smallbore rifle classes at the 2018 Nationals. Combine that with lodging and travel expenses and it is too expensive for the average working family. If you had four family members that shot, the entry fees alone would be $820. The average family is not going to do that.

Topstrap44 10-16-2019 07:03 PM

I too shot IHMSA back in the early fun days. Like all types of sporting competition it grew and killed itself with specially classes to keep a few happy but ran off average Joe.

It takes dedication to rise to the top and usually a lot of money to keep up with newer equipment the top shooters upgrade to. Too many speciality classes divide the shooters with few in each one.

When a couple of us started our long-range rimfire matches it was almost like the old IHMSA days with everyone learning and having fun just hitting targets. A few years into it now the better skilled and equipped shooters have moved on to the latest fad of ELR ryimfire matches.

It's great that they are showing just how far and accurate a 22 rimfire can shoot but it's more specialized which leaves a lot of shooters feeling they can't keep up. I set up my matches which let's young, old, skilled, less skilled, disabled or whatever hit a lot of targets but still has a few for the best shooters to fight for the lead over.

if you are looking to keep shooters shooting you can't design the match based on the best shooters skill level and you can't have it too easy. The new NRL, PRS and matches similiar to mine are fun, have decent sized targets and let everyone hit stuff.

There are matches geared to the ones wanting the extreme challenge that shooters can move up to but usually have no limitations so be prepared for that. I allow nearly any equipment except for benchrest type stuff and limit ammo costs which iis one of the biggest factors for accuracy and also helps average Joe see that he don't need $15.00/50 to compete.

Topstrap

BOI 10-16-2019 11:28 PM

Good Times
 
I too started back in the early eighties in Sweetwater, TX. We had a lot of people come to our matches which started out IHMSA big bore only, but we ended up with field pistol and rimfire. I was also match director and in between our monthly matches myself and usually four other guys would travel around to other matches all over Texas for regular matches, Regionals, State, and Internationals. We also hosted Regional and State matches. There was a big rivalry with OK and we had The Red River Shootout every year. Our range was next to the airport and some of the Oklahoma shooters would fly in even for our monthly matches. By the time I got busy with other things the interest had really fallen off. Lot of good people and good times.

cz453 12-04-2019 12:44 AM

I am quite late to this parade but all of which you speak is true. I started shooting in 1976 with an IHMSA number of 2249. It grew at a rapid pace in the early 80's and died in the late 90's. There were a huge number of cry babies that had to have special treatment or did not like the new pile of rules unless it was a benefit to them personally. Well they have their wish and killed a very good shooting sport. Congratulations. The only thing to do now is to tear up the rule book and try to start all over again if you wish to see this sport again. Go back to the original basics and stay there. The original rules were on the back of an IHMSA membership card that was about 3" by 5" that is enough. Just don't shoot the person in the next station and knock down the targets. Keep count. That is all.

jmoore 02-04-2020 02:53 AM

It seems to me that if a shooter wants to remain "old school" then there's still the Production classes. Revolver is currently dominated by Freedom Arms, but that's fair, given that no other manufacturers care to step up their game. Standing is a great venue for those that don't want to get into an equipment race.

Heck, I like the multiple classes. Pick what you like and shoot. Then shoot some more, either re-entries or other classes.

Could be the problem with IHMSA is that your misses are public knowledge. No points for "close" or for style. And there's not much solution for that unless we replace steel with paper. How boring that would be!

There's nothing quite as giggle producing as sending a free standing chicken tumbling over the berm. No matter how many times you do it. :D

STEEL SHOOTER 02-04-2020 12:29 PM

Well said
 
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Originally Posted by jmoore (Post 11764389)
It seems to me that if a shooter wants to remain "old school" then there's still the Production classes. Revolver is currently dominated by Freedom Arms, but that's fair, given that no other manufacturers care to step up their game. Standing is a great venue for those that don't want to get into an equipment race.

Heck, I like the multiple classes. Pick what you like and shoot. Then shoot some more, either re-entries or other classes.

Could be the problem with IHMSA is that your misses are public knowledge. No points for "close" or for style. And there's not much solution for that unless we replace steel with paper. How boring that would be!

There's nothing quite as giggle producing as sending a free standing chicken tumbling over the berm. No matter how many times you do it. :D

Standing is rather humbling, definitely not an equipment race, shooting off your hind legs probably always will be. BANG....Clang :D


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