RimfireCentral.com Forums

RimfireCentral.com Forums (https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php)
-   Scopes, Sights, Rings & Mounts, and Other Optics (https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=32)
-   -   Scopes (https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1194793)

Diver41 05-29-2020 01:13 PM

Scopes
 
Long time member rare poster has a question for you folks that know more than I.

For years I have been happy with my stock 10/22 with a trigger job. A few years I swapped out the stock and last week installed a GM 18" Bull Barrel.

It has warn a Simmons 3-9 22mag scope for a long time.

Now Instead of shooting pop cans at 50-100 yards, I would like to shoot some groups and see just how tight I can get them. Why? Because paper between bullet holes just pisses me off.

What scopes are you guys using?

I have been looking at: Vortex Crossfire II 6-18, Tract 4-12, Athlon 4-16

What do you think? Different suggestions?

How do I move this to the 10/22 list?

Andrew22 05-29-2020 01:22 PM

I have a few Mueller 8-32 target dot scopes and I like them alot. Much more then my vortex crossfire 6-24 and they cost half as much. I don't often use them at the full 32 power but from 18-24 they are sweet and the side focus is a huge bonus for me.

I would make sure to go to Mueller's website and make sure you order from an authorized vendor as I understand there are scopes for sale from other people that did not meet thier quality control and were rejected but fell into the wrong hands. They do have an ebay store listed that is directly from them selling certified ones that have been returned and repaired and inspected and carry thier lifetime warranty.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Diver41 05-29-2020 01:33 PM

Thank You, now I will add Mueller

porterb123 05-29-2020 03:31 PM

Athlon BTR Gen II 6x24x50. FFP Illuminated reticle. They make a lot of scope for the money. Gen I can be had for 100 less than Gen II.
I own 2 of them. About 300.00 on Amazon

Cowpokey 05-29-2020 05:08 PM

I have a Vortex Crossfire II 6-18 on my 10/22T, it's a good scope...but could use more magnification out at 100.

I put a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50 on my RART, it's a great scope, best I've ever owned.

Archerks 05-29-2020 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew22 (Post 11906593)
I have a few Mueller 8-32 target dot scopes and I like them alot. Much more then my vortex crossfire 6-24 and they cost half as much. I don't often use them at the full 32 power but from 18-24 they are sweet and the side focus is a huge bonus for me.

I would make sure to go to Mueller's website and make sure you order from an authorized vendor as I understand there are scopes for sale from other people that did not meet thier quality control and were rejected but fell into the wrong hands. They do have an ebay store listed that is directly from them selling certified ones that have been returned and repaired and inspected and carry thier lifetime warranty.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk


I second the Mueller 8-32, great optics and crosshair. Mine is better than my Vortex

Southern1 05-29-2020 08:06 PM

+1 for the Mueller 8-32 44mm . Great scope for punching paper, especially at set distances. Very good bang for the buck.

The Athlon Scopes are good too, I like my 4-14 40 BTR FFP (same price as the Mueller). Great for hunting or shooting at varying distances. But 14x does not compare to 32x for shooting small groups.

Diver41 05-29-2020 08:27 PM

Some great suggestions. a few I never thought of Thanks to all

PEASHOOTER67 05-29-2020 11:46 PM

Scopes
 
When you buy glass to shoot tiny holes that look like one hole there is this montra you need to learn.

“Aim Small Shoot Small”
“You Get What You Pay For”

When it comes to scopes first thing to consider
Do I get a variable? OR do I get a fixed power?

With fixed power you get more bang for your buck and fewer parts to go bad inside..

Two parts to scopes
1-variable power scopes has many more critical parts than a fixed power.
2-optical glass

Be kind to your eyes and get the best glass you can afford. The better the name and the higher end scopes will have better internals and glass.

Some scope makers or scope classes either give you better mechanical internals at the expense of glass quality and some sacrifice the quality of the mechanical for better glass.

If it will alway reside on one gun and not get moved around and you set it and leave it then you can give up some on the mechanical and go for optical but regardless which scope you buy will need to have some form of parallax adjustment because you will end up shooting at 25,50,75, and eventually 100 yards so you can’t really skimp on mechanical either.

My best advice without suggesting a specific brand is read reviews and reviews and reviews.
Try to find out the failure rate at what you are interested in.

If this will be dedicated to target only then some kind of target reticle will be needed.
I use a fine or super fine cross hair with a dot.
The cross hair will alway be visible because your targets will be brightly colored.

1-Quality of the glass is probably the most important to reduce or prevent eye strain.
2-quality of the internal parts
3-magnification

A scope with really good glass can give you better definition and require less power and poorer glass can require higher power just to see the target the same and cause eye strain in the process.

Example
A good 4-12x40 leupold can actually provide a better picture of the target than a much cheaper 6-18x40 scope.

This example is almost completely fictitious and just made to illustrate my point.

On a variable when you go cranking up the power is where the glass and mechanical come together and if one is off sight picture gets blurry or hazy.
The cheaper end of scopes when you crank up the power the glass gets foggy and you just can’t crank it up even when your close to the target.

A really good and well knowledge man on this sight used to say all the time when it comes to target guns buy as much scope as you can afford or spend as much on the glass as you did for the gun.

My go to scope is a Leupold 4-16x44 that is unfortunately out of production.
Then my next is a japan made tasco 6-24x44
Then a japan made tasco 32x40 fixed

Leupold and weaver also have good 32x40 fixed
Surprisingly Early BSA 32x40 are good fixed power scopes to.

I’m not suggesting these, these are just what I use. I know little about the knees names on the market.


Support America and buy American all my latest glass has been American.

I believe/think Leupold is the only American made scope today. I may be wrong though ...


P.s.

Ne sure the parallax will focus down to less than 25 yards.

"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

chicks2111 05-30-2020 12:14 AM

Right on
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PEASHOOTER67 (Post 11907265)
When you buy glass to shoot tiny holes that look like one hole there is this montra you need to learn.

“Aim Small Shoot Small”
“You Get What You Pay For”

When it comes to scopes first thing to consider
Do I get a variable? OR do I get a fixed power?

With fixed power you get more bang for your buck and fewer parts to go bad inside..

Two parts to scopes
1-variable power scopes has many more critical parts than a fixed power.
2-optical glass

Be kind to your eyes and get the best glass you can afford. The better the name and the higher end scopes will have better internals and glass.

Some scope makers or scope classes either give you better mechanical internals at the expense of glass quality and some sacrifice the quality of the mechanical for better glass.

If it will alway reside on one gun and not get moved around and you set it and leave it then you can give up some on the mechanical and go for optical but regardless which scope you buy will need to have some form of parallax adjustment because you will end up shooting at 25,50,75, and eventually 100 yards so you can’t really skimp on mechanical either.

My best advice without suggesting a specific brand is read reviews and reviews and reviews.
Try to find out the failure rate at what you are interested in.

If this will be dedicated to target only then some kind of target reticle will be needed.
I use a fine or super fine cross hair with a dot.
The cross hair will alway be visible because your targets will be brightly colored.

1-Quality of the glass is probably the most important to reduce or prevent eye strain.
2-quality of the internal parts
3-magnification

A scope with really good glass can give you better definition and require less power and poorer glass can require higher power just to see the target the same and cause eye strain in the process.

Example
A good 4-12x40 leupold can actually provide a better picture of the target than a much cheaper 6-18x40 scope.

This example is almost completely fictitious and just made to illustrate my point.

On a variable when you go cranking up the power is where the glass and mechanical come together and if one is off sight picture gets blurry or hazy.
The cheaper end of scopes when you crank up the power the glass gets foggy and you just can’t crank it up even when your close to the target.

A really good and well knowledge man on this sight used to say all the time when it comes to target guns buy as much scope as you can afford or spend as much on the glass as you did for the gun.

My go to scope is a Leupold 4-16x44 that is unfortunately out of production.
Then my next is a japan made tasco 6-24x44
Then a japan made tasco 32x40 fixed

Leupold and weaver also have good 32x40 fixed
Surprisingly Early BSA 32x40 are good fixed power scopes to.

I’m not suggesting these, these are just what I use. I know little about the knees names on the market.


Support America and buy American all my latest glass has been American.

I believe/think Leupold is the only American made scope today. I may be wrong though ...


P.s.

Ne sure the parallax will focus down to less than 25 yards.

"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

Peashooter got it right. Get a Leupold. A 3-9 Vari-XII on a .22 is hard to beat and if it ever goes bad Leupold will be there to repair it. Older El Paso built Weavers with their Micro Trac are also good scopes.

Toomany22s 05-30-2020 06:54 AM

1 Attachment(s)
The Mueler 8 x 32 x44 is a good choice. But if all your gonna do is punch paper at 50 yards off a bench/ rest their 40 X is great.

Diver41 05-30-2020 07:42 AM

What a Great bunch of soft enablers No buy this its the best or this pro uses that. Just soft suggestions and guidance. Thank You

FALPhil 05-30-2020 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PEASHOOTER67 (Post 11907265)
When you buy glass to shoot tiny holes that look like one hole there is this montra you need to learn. <snip>

“You Get What You Pay For”

Most of the time this is true, and sometimes it is not. And then, there are those hidden gems where you get more than you pay for, the examples from Mueller pointed out in this thread being a good example. Another example is Zeiss. I used to think of Swarovski Z8i as the pinnacle and their prices would lead you to believe that. But then, I looked through a Zeiss Victory V8, which was several hundred dollars less, and saw a better product.

You might want to do a search on "vintage scopes" in this folder as well. There are several examples of vintage offerings that provide performance you would have to pay two to four times more for a new scope. The drawback is that when you buy used, there is no warranty. Also, you have to know how to determine if the equipment is in good shape. If warranty is important to you, used scopes are probably not an option, with a couple of exceptions like Stryka and Leupold.

Al the Infidel 05-30-2020 08:38 AM

Whats the budget?

DGF 05-30-2020 09:02 AM

Got the Mueller and tested it out. Found the eye box was real finicky and on to the shelf it went. Went with a Vortex Strike Eagle(on sale) money well spent

OldSwede 05-30-2020 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al the Infidel (Post 11907443)
Whats the budget?

Probably the most useful post so far. The scopes mentioned above go from "reasonably priced" to "blindingly expensive". Not saying which is best for you, but a Zeiss or a Swarovski on a 10/22 would be an unusual matchup. Were I in your place, I would spend some time cruising the ads in our own Trading Post for a scope in the 4-26 or 6-18 range. Mueller makes a fine one in that range and is quite economical. Leopold makes an excellent one in that range;it is expensive but if you don't like it, it has the best resale percentage of any other scope in that magnification range. A Weaver would be a good choice, as would a Nikon, but they do or soon will lack any factory support. Have fun and let us know what you choose. Burris Signature Zee rings would be a good choice and would protect your scope.

Nick7274 05-30-2020 09:46 AM

The Vortex Crossfire II 6-18× is IMO one of the best "budget" scopes you can buy. You can find them new for around $150 if you look. I've had a couple of the Mueller 8-32× scopes and they're not bad for shooting off the bench. But they're also not very bright once you get up over 20× and the eyebox isn't very good on the higher magnification levels. The Vortex is clearer on 18× than the Mueller is at the same power. The only drawback to the Vortex is that 18× is not really enough for serious target shooting @100 yards. It's fine @50 and will work @100, but it is much easier to shoot small groups with more magnification. The big question (which was already asked) is what is your budget? I just went with the scopes that you listed. Like anything else for the most part you get what you pay for with scopes, with few exceptions. Also what distance will you be doing most of your shooting from? If most will be done @50 yards then you can probably get away with less magnification. If your going to be doing a lot of shooting @100+ then your going to want as much as possible.

Diver41 05-30-2020 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al the Infidel (Post 11907443)
Whats the budget?

$ 250.00 or under

Archerks 05-30-2020 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGF (Post 11907475)
Got the Mueller and tested it out. Found the eye box was real finicky and on to the shelf it went. Went with a Vortex Strike Eagle(on sale) money well spent


For me it was just the opposite, the Strike Eagle is sitting on my shelf and use the Mueller daily.

iron85 05-30-2020 02:23 PM

I’ve found that every person is a little different. Personally don’t own anything over a 4.5-14. I just don’t enjoy the bigger higher power scopes. I’ve had plenty over the years and shot a lot of other peoples rifles with them. To this day the best groups I have ever shot were with an anschutz 1422 and a redfield 2 3/4X scope with a 4P CCH reticle.
Iron

BobSc 05-30-2020 03:37 PM

In that price range I have found one of the most useful scopes to be found is the Weaver V16 with the fine crosshair with target dot or fine duplex... judging by the ad I put in the classifieds yesterday, there are lots of them available in that price range. The AO will focus down to 25 yards or less, and I've found the glass to be clear and bright if not on parr with my $450-$600 Leupold 6.5 - 20 scopes..

I6turbo 05-30-2020 04:52 PM

Buying used is a great way to get more bang for your buck.

Just to be clear here, Burris, Leupold, and Vortex (and I'm sure some other manufacturers) warranties are lifetime, regardless of who bought the scope new and regardless of what happened to it -- whether it's manufacturers defect or you ran over it with your lawn mower. Sightron and some others have a lifetime warranty against manufacturers' defects, but not necessarily against damage or abuse. These warranties are automatic, don't require a receipt, proof of purchase, etc. Leupold has a very dedicated following and probably has the best resale value of any mainstream line.

I will also say that there are a definitely instances of The Emperor Has No Clothes in the scope and optics world. Or at the least, the Emperor's clothes aren't any better than the peasant's clothes in the ways that will ever matter to the vast majority of owners. To see for yourself, assemble a bunch of scopes from some of the popular brands, ranging from $50 to $500 street price, and compare them side-by-side at the same time of day, looking at the same optical resolution target (or other targets that will allow you to make and record your findings and evaluations), and see what you learn. You are likely to be quite surprised. It's kind of akin to taking a gun that you have hunted with and plinked with, and that you think is a "tack driver," and putting it on a bench to see how accurate it actually is.

Set your scopes up something like this, with as many scopes lined up as you like. These two happen to be the Leupold VX2 3-9x33 EFR and Burris Timberline 4.5-14x32.
https://i.imgur.com/j3E4vbh.jpg

Set your target up at the distance(s) you want to compare (I've done it at 50, 65, 100, and 140 yards with several of my scopes).
https://i.imgur.com/lPu7n7E.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6ucR9yO.jpg

Make notes of what is the finest detail that you can discern in the test pattern, how colors compare through the different scopes (may want to use other targets for color comparisons if that's important to you), how accurate the marked A/O yardage is, how big the eye box is, and very importantly to me, just how "pleasant" is the scope to sight through - how relaxed is your eye while sighting? (I find quite a bit of variation on this point, even between scopes that are similar in resolution or other traits).

I use this chart to record my observations and notes.
https://i.imgur.com/knqQ33Z.jpg

I find this testing fun, and sometimes buy scopes just to compare, knowing that I'll keep them if I like them, sell them if I don't.

PEASHOOTER67 05-30-2020 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diver41 (Post 11907587)
$ 250.00 or under


Look for really good used glass then.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

PEASHOOTER67 05-30-2020 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobSc (Post 11907975)
In that price range I have found one of the most useful scopes to be found is the Weaver V16 with the fine crosshair with target dot or fine duplex... judging by the ad I put in the classifieds yesterday, there are lots of them available in that price range. The AO will focus down to 25 yards or less, and I've found the glass to be clear and bright if not on parr with my $450-$600 Leupold 6.5 - 20 scopes..


This would be a good choice.

The “V” series was a good scope.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

PEASHOOTER67 05-30-2020 10:16 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a825e6dd62.jpg
This target or one very similar is what you want to use when judging glass. Especially on max magnification. This will surprise you and the more detail you can see “resolution” the easier the glass will be on your eyes.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:34 AM.

DMCA Notice

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©2000-2018 RimfireCentral.com