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OldSwede 05-30-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Al the Infidel (Post 11907443)
Whats the budget?

Probably the most useful post so far. The scopes mentioned above go from "reasonably priced" to "blindingly expensive". Not saying which is best for you, but a Zeiss or a Swarovski on a 10/22 would be an unusual matchup. Were I in your place, I would spend some time cruising the ads in our own Trading Post for a scope in the 4-26 or 6-18 range. Mueller makes a fine one in that range and is quite economical. Leopold makes an excellent one in that range;it is expensive but if you don't like it, it has the best resale percentage of any other scope in that magnification range. A Weaver would be a good choice, as would a Nikon, but they do or soon will lack any factory support. Have fun and let us know what you choose. Burris Signature Zee rings would be a good choice and would protect your scope.

Nick7274 05-30-2020 09:46 AM

The Vortex Crossfire II 6-18× is IMO one of the best "budget" scopes you can buy. You can find them new for around $150 if you look. I've had a couple of the Mueller 8-32× scopes and they're not bad for shooting off the bench. But they're also not very bright once you get up over 20× and the eyebox isn't very good on the higher magnification levels. The Vortex is clearer on 18× than the Mueller is at the same power. The only drawback to the Vortex is that 18× is not really enough for serious target shooting @100 yards. It's fine @50 and will work @100, but it is much easier to shoot small groups with more magnification. The big question (which was already asked) is what is your budget? I just went with the scopes that you listed. Like anything else for the most part you get what you pay for with scopes, with few exceptions. Also what distance will you be doing most of your shooting from? If most will be done @50 yards then you can probably get away with less magnification. If your going to be doing a lot of shooting @100+ then your going to want as much as possible.

Diver41 05-30-2020 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Al the Infidel (Post 11907443)
Whats the budget?

$ 250.00 or under

Archerks 05-30-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DGF (Post 11907475)
Got the Mueller and tested it out. Found the eye box was real finicky and on to the shelf it went. Went with a Vortex Strike Eagle(on sale) money well spent


For me it was just the opposite, the Strike Eagle is sitting on my shelf and use the Mueller daily.

iron85 05-30-2020 02:23 PM

I’ve found that every person is a little different. Personally don’t own anything over a 4.5-14. I just don’t enjoy the bigger higher power scopes. I’ve had plenty over the years and shot a lot of other peoples rifles with them. To this day the best groups I have ever shot were with an anschutz 1422 and a redfield 2 3/4X scope with a 4P CCH reticle.
Iron

BobSc 05-30-2020 03:37 PM

In that price range I have found one of the most useful scopes to be found is the Weaver V16 with the fine crosshair with target dot or fine duplex... judging by the ad I put in the classifieds yesterday, there are lots of them available in that price range. The AO will focus down to 25 yards or less, and I've found the glass to be clear and bright if not on parr with my $450-$600 Leupold 6.5 - 20 scopes..

I6turbo 05-30-2020 04:52 PM

Buying used is a great way to get more bang for your buck.

Just to be clear here, Burris, Leupold, and Vortex (and I'm sure some other manufacturers) warranties are lifetime, regardless of who bought the scope new and regardless of what happened to it -- whether it's manufacturers defect or you ran over it with your lawn mower. Sightron and some others have a lifetime warranty against manufacturers' defects, but not necessarily against damage or abuse. These warranties are automatic, don't require a receipt, proof of purchase, etc. Leupold has a very dedicated following and probably has the best resale value of any mainstream line.

I will also say that there are a definitely instances of The Emperor Has No Clothes in the scope and optics world. Or at the least, the Emperor's clothes aren't any better than the peasant's clothes in the ways that will ever matter to the vast majority of owners. To see for yourself, assemble a bunch of scopes from some of the popular brands, ranging from $50 to $500 street price, and compare them side-by-side at the same time of day, looking at the same optical resolution target (or other targets that will allow you to make and record your findings and evaluations), and see what you learn. You are likely to be quite surprised. It's kind of akin to taking a gun that you have hunted with and plinked with, and that you think is a "tack driver," and putting it on a bench to see how accurate it actually is.

Set your scopes up something like this, with as many scopes lined up as you like. These two happen to be the Leupold VX2 3-9x33 EFR and Burris Timberline 4.5-14x32.
https://i.imgur.com/j3E4vbh.jpg

Set your target up at the distance(s) you want to compare (I've done it at 50, 65, 100, and 140 yards with several of my scopes).
https://i.imgur.com/lPu7n7E.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6ucR9yO.jpg

Make notes of what is the finest detail that you can discern in the test pattern, how colors compare through the different scopes (may want to use other targets for color comparisons if that's important to you), how accurate the marked A/O yardage is, how big the eye box is, and very importantly to me, just how "pleasant" is the scope to sight through - how relaxed is your eye while sighting? (I find quite a bit of variation on this point, even between scopes that are similar in resolution or other traits).

I use this chart to record my observations and notes.
https://i.imgur.com/knqQ33Z.jpg

I find this testing fun, and sometimes buy scopes just to compare, knowing that I'll keep them if I like them, sell them if I don't.

PEASHOOTER67 05-30-2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Diver41 (Post 11907587)
$ 250.00 or under


Look for really good used glass then.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

PEASHOOTER67 05-30-2020 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobSc (Post 11907975)
In that price range I have found one of the most useful scopes to be found is the Weaver V16 with the fine crosshair with target dot or fine duplex... judging by the ad I put in the classifieds yesterday, there are lots of them available in that price range. The AO will focus down to 25 yards or less, and I've found the glass to be clear and bright if not on parr with my $450-$600 Leupold 6.5 - 20 scopes..


This would be a good choice.

The “V” series was a good scope.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

PEASHOOTER67 05-30-2020 10:16 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a825e6dd62.jpg
This target or one very similar is what you want to use when judging glass. Especially on max magnification. This will surprise you and the more detail you can see “resolution” the easier the glass will be on your eyes.


"The biggest communication problem is we don't listen to understand, we listen to reply"

Rod Blackburn 05-31-2020 02:30 PM

I have a variety of scopes on my .22 rf rifles. I shoot targets only & usually from the bench. If I was a hunter the list would be very different.

6x24 Bushnell 4200 Elite fine xhair & dot
6x24 Weaver V24 varmint dot xhair
Weaver T36 (4) 2 dot & 2 without
Sightron Sll 36X (2) fine xhair & dot

Klaatu 06-04-2020 05:57 PM

Seconded.

Klaatu 06-04-2020 06:00 PM

Whoops. "Seconding" the Mueller 6-24 x 50. Got a couple of 'em. Far as I remember. %%%% Covid.

tbates66 06-04-2020 06:55 PM

I've owned many different scopes and recently put a Tract 22Fire 4-12X on my new Bergara BXR .22, which as you may know is often called a 10/22 clone. I've owned a 10/22 and I like the Bergara better. I think the Tract is the best scope I have owned in a long time and only cost me $194, total cost...no shipping and no tax. The Warne rings i ordered with it are perfect. The Tract customer service is very personal and helpful....excellent in all regards. Read the reviews. They are uniformly positive and accurate. Will not go wrong with Tract.

stevebla 06-04-2020 08:13 PM

Vortex 6-24x50 Diamondback Tactical Riflescope First focal plane for $299 at BH photo
You have to call to get deal. Nice scope for $299
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...iflescope.html


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