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.22fanatic 03-14-2017 10:05 PM

Need help with ID and value on BSA rifle
 
Hi everyone, I have a BSA rifle that I know very little about and was hoping you could tell me what it is and hopefully an idea of what it's worth. I don't shoot it and could use the money for something else.

I assume that the stock is not original but it's in very good condition with a few small defects. The finish on the barrel is mostly gone but no rust or pitting. The barrel appears to be about 25" long with a diameter of approx .82". There is writing going around the barrel a few inches back from the front sight but it's too small for me to be able to read. The finish on the receiver is still very good. It has front and rear Parker Hale sights.

Other than that I'm not sure what information is useful. I tried to show all marks and proofs in the pictures as well as the overall condition.

Pictures can be viewed here with this Dropbox link (Can't figure out how to post them)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wusm0c5ds...P0NH2dDPa?dl=0


Thanks in advance for your help!!!

aqbill 03-14-2017 10:22 PM

Need pictures of whole rifle! Custom stock for sure so, perhaps, could be cut down Model 12 or Model 13 with a heavy barrel.

:Welcome:

CZ_islandguy 03-14-2017 10:29 PM

I'm guessing a modified 12/15, based on "P" SN, sights, and receiver. What could be the purpose of the band ahead of the knox form?

CZ_islandguy 03-14-2017 10:32 PM

Got it, sorry. The fore-end mounting screw location has changed rear-wards, hence the necessity of the barrel band to mount the threaded nut for the screw in that location.

Onearm 03-14-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .22fanatic (Post 8373450)
Hi everyone, I have a BSA rifle that I know very little about and was hoping you could tell me what it is and hopefully an idea of what it's worth. I don't shoot it and could use the money for something else.

I assume that the stock is not original but it's in very good condition with a few small defects. The finish on the barrel is mostly gone but no rust or pitting. The barrel appears to be about 25" long with a diameter of approx .82". There is writing going around the barrel a few inches back from the front sight but it's too small for me to be able to read. The finish on the receiver is still very good. It has front and rear Parker Hale sights.

Other than that I'm not sure what information is useful. I tried to show all marks and proofs in the pictures as well as the overall condition.

Pictures can be viewed here with this Dropbox link (Can't figure out how to post them)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wusm0c5ds...P0NH2dDPa?dl=0


Thanks in advance for your help!!!

Based on the sights and the shape of the lever, I would say it is a Model 12/15, with an aftermarket stock. The lever and pistol grip shape of the buttstock on the model 12/15 are rather distinctive. The stock is obviously not original to the rifle and greatly detracts from the value. None the less, it is a fine rifle, as long as the chamber, bore and crown and all internal parts are rust free and undamaged.

Here is my 12/15. Notice the shape of the lever, how the rear sight is mounted and the pistol grip style of the buttstock:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...-fullright.jpg

Here it is at the range:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Halesights.jpg


Here is a link to full details on the 12/15:
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/BSA_Model_12-15.htm

.22fanatic 03-14-2017 11:05 PM

Thanks everyone
 
I knew this would be the place to go for information. What do you guys think is a reasonable selling price to ask for this rifle?

.22fanatic 03-14-2017 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aqbill (Post 8373562)
Need pictures of whole rifle! Custom stock for sure so, perhaps, could be cut down Model 12 or Model 13 with a heavy barrel.

:Welcome:

Hi, if you click on the image it will open up to show the whole rifle.

David Valdina 03-14-2017 11:45 PM

Value of Martini 12/15, with assumptions
 
My assumptions are that the rifle is mechanically correct and shoots well. I would guess a low value of $450 and a high value of $650. I think you should take it out and shoot some bench rested A23/5 targets and she how well you can make it shoot, then report back. See here on RFC the 50 yard iron sight matches. A number of those rifles compete. Some have shot perfect scores, but that in large part is a calm day with match ammo etc. I think my average is a 200 with 10 to 15 x count. But if you do that, you may end up really liking it and wanting to keep it. Fits in the gun safe well without nudging the neighboring long guns as it has no bolt handle sticking out. Everything comes apart really well for cleaning. One of the nicest rifles made.

Onearm 03-15-2017 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Valdina (Post 8374082)
My assumptions are that the rifle is mechanically correct and shoots well. I would guess a low value of $450 and a high value of $650. I think you should take it out and shoot some bench rested A23/5 targets and she how well you can make it shoot, then report back. See here on RFC the 50 yard iron sight matches. A number of those rifles compete. Some have shot perfect scores, but that in large part is a calm day with match ammo etc. I think my average is a 200 with 10 to 15 x count. But if you do that, you may end up really liking it and wanting to keep it. Fits in the gun safe well without nudging the neighboring long guns as it has no bolt handle sticking out. Everything comes apart really well for cleaning. One of the nicest rifles made.

I agree with one reservation. If the stock was original, I would go as high as $500. With the aftermarket forearm I would say about $400. In truth, because 12/15 is about the top of the line target Martini, other than the heavy Internationals, I would keep the rifle and try to find a proper 12/15 style stock. In the mean time, I would just shoot it a lot.

If you sell it, you may never see another for sale and you will be sorry.

.22fanatic 03-15-2017 07:39 AM

Your points are well taken, I obviously didn't know just how good the rifle was (or should be at least). I guess that the stock is the main reason I don't shoot it, I just don't do much bench rest shooting. Maybe I'll look around for an original style stock and see what I can find.

Plenty to think about, thanks again.

David Valdina 03-15-2017 08:46 AM

I would leave the stock as is...
 
In my opinion, very few buy these rifles as collector items. Getting a correct stock will probably add little value to the rifle and probably less value than the cost of the stock. It should make a fine offhand or position rifle if you don't shoot the iron sight benchrest matches.

I just took another look at the photos you posted. To those who didn't see it, click on each photo to open them up to full size. I believe the stock is made to shoot off of a rest. It has a large flat area to ride the rest well and resist canting. I will bet it shoots very very well. Let us know if you decide to sell it.

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gewehrfreund 03-15-2017 08:48 AM

Several companies make essentially OEM aftermarket stocks for the 12/15. I got a set from Gunstocks Inc. last year for a benchrest project rifle and was very pleased with the quality, service and price. Macon Gunstocks and CPA also do stocks for these rifles.

wwace 03-15-2017 09:01 AM

Good looking rifle, probably worth $400-450.
Sell on Trading post here if you don't want her. I would keep it and look for replacement wood. Or possibly reblue it.

Yank 03-15-2017 04:27 PM

I agree re bench rest, noticed flat at buttstock toe. Forearm could be rounded, rebedded if necessary. Maybe a little cold blue touch-up. Trial shooting will tell the tale. OP, maybe think twice about selling?
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Onearm 03-15-2017 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Valdina (Post 8375138)
In my opinion, very few buy these rifles as collector items. Getting a correct stock will probably add little value to the rifle and probably less value than the cost of the stock. It should make a fine offhand or position rifle if you don't shoot the iron sight benchrest matches.

I just took another look at the photos you posted. To those who didn't see it, click on each photo to open them up to full size. I believe the stock is made to shoot off of a rest. It has a large flat area to ride the rest well and resist canting. I will bet it shoots very very well. Let us know if you decide to sell it.

[email protected]

I agree. That is a BR stock. It would be perfect for a disabled guy who cannot shoot off hand...that is to say, me.:D

Another choice would be to reshape the forearm to an off hand profile. I did something similar to a Remington 37 that had a gawd awful left handed BR stock with a high pointed comb that poked my cheek.

I turned this:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...37BCropped.jpg

Into this:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...lorCorrect.jpg


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