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Danv 11-10-2018 12:43 PM

Tom did you slug the barrels before and look for a constriction or did you just cut them off at the length you wanted?

Jeepergeo 11-10-2018 12:52 PM

Go for it. Cut that baby off and then let us know how it works out, and post a few before and after targets.

lefty222 11-10-2018 02:54 PM

Tom winter is just starting and your hacking barrels already :eek:

fabpeter 11-10-2018 03:05 PM

UK minimum barrel length is 12" and many hunters who use sound moderators and shoot from a truck will cut down, pretty close, to that lower limit.

Many report no noticeable loss in accuracy! I have no personal experience here because my shortest barrel is on my 452 17HMR which is factory 16" and screwcut. I bought this specifically because I always use a sound moderator on the HMR and wanted to keep the overall length reasonable. This rifle is extremely accurate!

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf5cf7178.jpg

Peter.:)

R4B1DM4U53 11-10-2018 03:37 PM

Beauty! I find it interesting that with the UK's strict gun laws, use of moderators is considered the polite thing to do for your neighbors. Then here in Canada, our government seems to consider them to be the evil tools of terrorists. :coco:

fabpeter 11-10-2018 04:25 PM

Well for the purposes of our Firearms Certificates, sound moderators are treat in exactly the same way as the firearms themselves. ( i.e must be agreed with the Cops, prior to purchase and "good reason" for needing them must be stated.)

"Good reason" is often stated by us as being on "Health & Safety" grounds. This usually results in the permission being granted without question.

Her Majesty's Government have put certain H&S rules on the statute book and not even the Cops will challenge that! :D

The SAK mod in the photo retails over here for 40.00 or less!

Peter.:)

PS.....Sorry, I did'nt intend to take this thread "off topic!"

Thomasconnor 11-10-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty222 (Post 11226273)
Tom winter is just starting and your hacking barrels already :eek:


I hate to tell you Lionel but your Cooper also fell to the blade :eek:...Tom

https://i.imgur.com/YUfqNvX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/sq26E25.jpg

Thomasconnor 11-10-2018 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danv (Post 11226173)
Tom did you slug the barrels before and look for a constriction or did you just cut them off at the length you wanted?

Hi, I just cut where necessary since I only shoot them standing and standing I'm lucky to shoot 6 inch groups!

I did slug my Kenyon/Anschutz BR rifle and a 1907 that gets used on the bench. They are both suppressed as well as a Martini MKII and several others. Most don't get shortened. My 1416 is full length. A lot of folks feel they should cut the barrel to the minimum (permanently disfiguring the rifle) for a suppressor but not me. No qualms about screwing a removable suppressor on the end of a 23 inch (or more) barrel.

I am really sold on suppressors and only shoot the non-suppressed rifles when I have company without suppressors.

If I remember correctly (the measure), the CZ 452s had to be cut back a couple inches so the shoulder at the muzzle would be the minimum 0.60 inches the suppressor manufacturers require...Tom

Thomasconnor 11-10-2018 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fabpeter (Post 11226369)
Her Majesty's Government have put certain H&S rules on the statute book and not even the Cops will challenge that! :D

The SAK mod in the photo retails over here for 40.00 or less! Peter.:)

Peter I understand your suppressors are so inexpensive that they're disposable?...Tom

lefty222 11-10-2018 06:41 PM

I hate to tell you Lionel but your Cooper also fell to the blade ...Tom

How is it shooting, do you want me to come over and give it a test run, l like your range and your ammo even more.

Lionel

Thomasconnor 11-10-2018 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty222 (Post 11226537)
I hate to tell you Lionel but your Cooper also fell to the blade ...Tom

How is it shooting, do you want me to come over and give it a test run, l like your range and your ammo even more.

Lionel



It is great. I would like that a lot. You've been invited a lot more than you've shown up!...Tom

fabpeter 11-11-2018 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomasconnor (Post 11226441)
Peter I understand your suppressors are so inexpensive that they're disposable?...Tom

Well mate, all of my rimfire mods are strippable for cleaning so that's what I do.
Some folks might treat them as disposable but I'm too much of a tighta** for that kind of behaviour!:D

So for me, periodically.........I dismantle........clean baffles (or core)......clean tube..............light spray of Welder's anti-spatter spray to all parts.....re-assemble...........and look to easy cleaning next time.

That said, I do have a T8 C/F mod that does'nt strip, so it will probably get ditched sometime in the future.......but I'll wring every last minute of it's service life out of it first!:D
This is an overbarrel (reflex) type and they cost a couple of hundred quid!

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/a...pstswc1dnk.jpg

Peter.:)

Toomany22s 11-11-2018 09:51 AM

You hunt from trucks? See people,what the fall of an empire does to civilization :D

65BR 11-12-2018 12:19 PM

RAR
 
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Originally Posted by Hunter2678 (Post 11223907)
Yuuuuck!!:eek:

Have you owned one?

I realize this forum is for CZ fans, yes well made. Just suggested another option, as many RARs prove to be fine shooters, have a larger capacity flush fitting magazine, and yes, the short compact versions handle very well. Easy safety on tang, and triggers only need a ballpoint pen spring.

Hunter2678 11-12-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 65BR (Post 11228391)
Have you owned one?

I realize this forum is for CZ fans, yes well made. Just suggested another option, as many RARs prove to be fine shooters, have a larger capacity flush fitting magazine, and yes, the short compact versions handle very well. Easy safety on tang, and triggers only need a ballpoint pen spring.

No I have not, aside from owning a 10/22, Ive seen too many ruger centerfire rifles in my time to know they aren't my first choice for factory accuracy, even with their RPR's.

newbie2 11-12-2018 09:49 PM

Could the T8 c/f be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath?

fabpeter 11-13-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by newbie2 (Post 11229163)
Could the T8 c/f be cleaned in an ultrasonic bath?

Being a tight bugger I would certainly give it a try, but I'm sure it will be a long time before it reaches a state of being unusable.

I think I've heard of folks putting them in the dishwasher. I'm not sure how effectively this would deal with the scaley stuff, but i could imagine the reaction from 'er indoors!:eek:

Peter.:)

65BR 11-13-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter2678 (Post 11228413)
No I have not, aside from owning a 10/22, Ive seen too many ruger centerfire rifles in my time to know they aren't my first choice for factory accuracy, even with their RPR's.

Lots of folks using Rugers in 6.5 CM getting +/- .5 MOA, and rimfires - MOA.

OEM 10/22s seem hit and miss in accuracy, slow locktime and less than triggers.

For the same $$, I do like CZ best do not get me wrong.

BadgerJack 11-15-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter2678 (Post 11223549)
Anyone ever considered doing it to say 18" or 16" I've often thought about doing it for better accuracy and maneuverability but am still a bit chicken about going through with it. Mine shoots really well .5"-1" at 50yds without really trying..Wondering if it would shoot better at a shorter carbine length.

What on earth makes you think a shorter barel, with less o a powder burn, will give you greater accuracy?

If you want it to shoot better, try better ammo, and clean the bore properly.

wkd 11-15-2018 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BadgerJack (Post 11232797)
What on earth makes you think a shorter barel, with less o a powder burn, will give you greater accuracy?

If you want it to shoot better, try better ammo, and clean the bore properly.

Powder will be burned up in the first 16 to 18 inches. Shorter should be less affected by vibrations. Do a little research on the subject of short bbls.

motorcycleboy 11-19-2018 12:17 PM

Do it
 
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I cut my trainer down to a bit less than 20” as that seemed a good spot after sluggging. I also desoldered the rear sight off the barrel and dumped it in a varmint stock. Someday I may even make it all pretty but right now it is just an *** kicking .22 prs gun. In two matches it has never missed, only I have missed. As far as the rest of this nonsense about destroying value etc. I find that to be nonsense also. I just bought an as new 452 American that has been on armslist for over 2 1/2 months. Asking $600, with a lupy 3-9x33 compact ao that I will get over $300 for. Not to mention rings, dip rail adaptor and 500 rounds of ammo. Offered $500 and picked it up Friday. Long story short, I haven’t seen any real change in value of these in the decade I’ve been interested, mine is worth a lot more too me than it was as an open sighted trainer! Something tells me it still has some value left, doesn't it? How much more was it worth before than now?


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